180: Water (Four Elements Series)

The four elements of nature are woven into all sorts of storytelling. Welcome to our 4-part series: Four Elements!

This episode we're going to dive into the element of Water (get it... dive into... #dadjoke). From heroes, to villains, to entire worlds, we're gonna explore how water is worked into storytelling, inspiring everything from powersets to entire worlds.

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Diego: Welcome to Geekology 101, my name is Diego.

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Joshua: And my name is Joshua.

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Diego: And Joshua is wet.

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Joshua: Well, not anymore, I was wet.

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Diego: Yes.

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Joshua: I was very wet.

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Diego: I wanna thank you on behalf of all the geekologists out there for taking one for the team, just to get into the topic.

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Joshua: Well, I didn't really know.

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Diego: You're a real one, your sacrifice is noted, thank you for your service.

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Diego: So today, we're gonna get started on a four-part series, and this series is gonna be focused on the four elements of nature.

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Diego: We're talking about water, earth, wind, and fire.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Diego: And we're not talking about that classic music group, earth, wind, and fire.

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Joshua: It's missing, it's missing the water.

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Diego: Yes.

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Diego: So today, we're gonna get started with the topic of water, and we're gonna be talking about water, the meaning of water, what could have inspired water to become an element that is used in the formation of worlds in different kinds of fiction, what inspired water to be the basis for a lot of characters and their abilities and power set and that sort of thing.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Diego: And just see where this conversation goes, you know?

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Diego: We're just gonna kind of flow with it.

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Joshua: Flow.

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Diego: We're gonna flow with it.

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Joshua: Like water.

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Diego: Yeah, we're just gonna let the conversation go downstream, and, you know, I don't know, you know, see how...

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Diego: See what rises like vapor onto the clouds.

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Joshua: Okay, that was a bit of a stretch.

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Diego: Okay, it's still water.

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Joshua: It was a stretch.

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Diego: It's water.

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Diego: Anyway, so, okay, water, water, water.

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Diego: What is the significance of water?

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Diego: Like, as an element, right?

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Joshua: I mean, you need it to survive.

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Joshua: It basically, it kind of like fuels the whole planet because, like, I mean, the water cycle, I mean, just bodies of water, the sun evaporates it, it goes up, it condenses.

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Diego: Welcome to school, kids.

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Diego: Welcome to school.

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Joshua: And then it falls, and then it rains on plants, and then plants grow, and then the plants release oxygen, and then we can live.

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Diego: Yeah.

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Diego: Of course, water has different states, right?

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Joshua: I mean, yeah.

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Joshua: Liquid, solid, gas.

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Diego: There you go.

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Diego: And we see how the different states of water play kind of a role in how it's used in any sort of fictional stories.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Diego: Right?

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Diego: Like, there are characters that focus on just one of those forms of water.

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Diego: Some characters can manipulate any kind of form of water.

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Diego: So one of the things that was really interesting to me had to do with the significance of water or the symbolism of water for different cultures.

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Diego: Because of course, any kind of fiction is born out of a specific kind of culture, right?

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Diego: And that part is really interesting to me.

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Diego: Water has a lot of significance in the majority of cultures.

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Diego: I think for the vast majority of cultures, water symbolizes things like purity, cleansing, renewal, life, like a state of life.

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Diego: Yeah, healing.

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Joshua: Something I noticed in a lot of media in general is that say in shows or movies or whatever, I feel like a lot of characters use water to heal other people.

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Joshua: I feel like it's kind of used as a healing thing in a lot of media.

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Diego: It's interesting that we have basically a liquid running through our veins, right?

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Diego: We are composed of carbon and some other stuff, but also a lot of water.

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Diego: What is it, 70%?

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Joshua: Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

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Diego: The world itself, I think the oceans cover, I think somewhere close to that, isn't it?

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Diego: Close to 70% of the world's surface is covered by water.

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Diego: And again, we already talked about it's, the cycles of water are so much a part of our daily life.

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Diego: We don't think about it often, but it's there.

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Joshua: Like, if it wasn't there, life would be very different.

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Joshua: We wouldn't be alive.

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Diego: Yeah, what is it?

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Diego: Three days, you can survive without drinking a drop of water?

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Joshua: Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

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Diego: And then I'd say the body starts to fail.

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Diego: So yeah, it's a, you can kind of see why culturally as different places in the world evolved and the cultures evolved and spiritual beliefs evolved and all that, like water slowly became more and more important.

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Diego: But the other thing that I was thinking about water though, as we were preparing for this episode is that water, as much as it is tied to like peacefulness and healing and life and all that stuff, water can also be like really terrifying.

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Joshua: Something that kind of has to do with that, kind of, is a water user that, I mean, I guess, I don't know if he would be able to manipulate liquid water, but he can definitely manipulate solid water.

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Joshua: It's Sub-Zero for Mortal Kombat.

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Joshua: He's like the definition of water being scary.

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Joshua: Like you would not want to see, if you're in the tundra and Sub-Zero's there and you're like his mortal enemy, then you're basically just gone.

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Diego: Oh yeah.

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Diego: Hey, I was wondering about that too.

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Diego: The fact that he has the ability to manipulate ice, does that mean that he has control over any other kind of water?

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Diego: There's two abilities that I found as I was researching for this.

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Diego: One of them is hydrokinesis.

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Diego: Hydrokinesis is the ability to control, manipulate and alter the molecular state of water.

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Diego: So like these people, hydrokinetics are able to change the states of matter at will, right?

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Diego: Turn water to ice, turn vapor to water, turn water to vapor, et cetera.

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Diego: And I've never seen hints that Sub-Zero can do that, right?

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Joshua: Yeah, I mean, we've only ever seen him, I mean, to my knowledge, at least, we've only ever seen him really use ice.

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Diego: As a matter of fact, I think that the term used in Mortal Kombat for Sub-Zero is cryomancer.

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Joshua: Really?

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Diego: Cryo coming from like cold, I think cryo has some sort of origin in the word, and then the cold.

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Joshua: I'm pretty sure, cause you know, when you can like select what kind of, not skin, but like what kind of version you want to use of the character.

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Joshua: Yeah, fighting style.

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Joshua: Cryomancer is one of them.

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Diego: And the cryomancer, kind of like a pyromancer, is somebody who can manipulate fire.

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Diego: Cryomancer is somebody who could, I guess, manipulate the cold.

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Diego: And that's a very different thing from manipulating water.

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Diego: Right?

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Diego: Because at that point, what you're doing is like, and you could tell by the way that Sub-Zero kind of forms his weaponry and stuff like that, he kind of forms it out of thin air.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Diego: It almost seems like he's forming it out of the moisture in the air.

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Diego: But what he's doing is using his ability to control cold to create that turn that moisture into some sort of solid.

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Joshua: Maybe.

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Joshua: I never thought of it like that.

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Diego: Yeah, I think there's something along those lines.

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Diego: There's actually this character in the video game Killer Instinct from back in the day.

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Diego: His name is Glacius.

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Diego: And he can manipulate pretty much all forms of water.

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Diego: He actually manipulates water.

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Diego: He's kind of made out of water partially.

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Diego: And he looks really cool.

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Diego: But he uses some powers where it's like ice, you know, like to puncture people, to stab people and stuff like that.

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Diego: And then other powers where it's like straight up water and you can liquefy himself and stuff like that.

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Diego: So Sub-Zero can never do that.

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Diego: So I really think that Sub-Zero is more controlling cold versus somebody like Glacius was actually controlling water and then partially made out of water.

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Joshua: Something like that is Todoroki from MHA.

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Joshua: I always wondered if, I mean, we have only seen him control ice, like on the side of that, side of his powers.

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Joshua: But I always wondered if he like, if he fired both ice and water, or no.

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Diego: Can he control water?

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Joshua: If he fired both fire and ice, yeah.

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Joshua: Could he like fire ice, but turn it into water at the same time?

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Joshua: And like fire water?

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Diego: That's an interesting thought, actually.

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Diego: Yeah, that's a pretty good thought.

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Diego: There's another ability, which is cryokinesis, as opposed to hydrokinesis.

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Joshua: Oh, just ice?

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Diego: Well, hydrokinesis is the ability to reduce the kinetic energy of atoms, which reduces temperature.

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Joshua: Oh, so like just making stuff cool.

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Diego: That's probably what sub-zero is, a cryokinetic.

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Diego: He can actually reduce the energy of atoms, or maybe just control moisture.

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Diego: Reducing the energy of atoms is crazy.

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Diego: Like if you're aware that you're able to do that, I can't even imagine the kind of stuff you can do.

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Diego: There's a power in the show, The Boys, in that whole universe, which is like a couple of people have it, and it's the ability to control blood.

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Joshua: Oh, like blood bending.

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Diego: Yeah, sort of, right.

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Diego: Exactly like that, actually.

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Diego: They're able to turn it into weapons and stuff like that.

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Joshua: Oh, that's pretty cool.

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Diego: But most importantly, blood is everywhere in the human body, so you can pop somebody's head if you want to by increasing the blood pressure, making all the blood go to the brain, that sort of thing.

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Diego: Pretty crazy.

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Joshua: Couldn't you, even if you're far away from somebody, you could choke them to death?

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Joshua: You could literally just stop the blood flow?

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Diego: Yeah, you could make somebody pass out at will.

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Diego: Pretty crazy power.

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Diego: You wouldn't think of it.

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Diego: And there's a show called Gen V, and when the show begins, you're introduced to a character who can use that, who can do that.

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Diego: And at first, you're like, the heck are you gonna be able to do by controlling blood?

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Diego: It's such a weird, messy, disgusting, non-hygienic power to have.

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Diego: But no, it becomes very, very clear how threatening of an ability it actually is.

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Diego: Water, of course, cleanses, right?

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Diego: Like, physically, we bathe with it, we clean with it.

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Diego: So you can see from there where water derives like all of those spiritual properties of being a cleansing thing.

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Diego: Like, thinking about the Bible, there's a whole bunch of stuff in the Bible where water plays a huge, huge role in cleansing.

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Joshua: Well, I mean, that's kind of what baptism is.

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Diego: Right, right.

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Diego: Baptism is a huge symbolism of that.

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Diego: But no, there's also stuff like, there's one prophet told this, I think it was a king who got leprosy, and he told him, go into the river and duck into the water seven times, and you'll come out healed.

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Diego: And he did, you know, kind of...

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Joshua: I mean, it's a...

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Diego: Makes you wonder, like, did the dude just need to take a bath?

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Diego: But no, leprosy is serious.

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Diego: Very nasty.

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Joshua: Oh, well, something else I was thinking about is Katara from Avatar.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Joshua: She can heal with her water, but she also uses it as a weapon, which is kind of her main thing.

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Joshua: But whenever anybody in Team Avatar gets injured, she kind of just takes some water and then puts it over the wound.

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Joshua: And I guess maybe, I don't know if she's incorporating more water into their system or something, but somehow she's healing them just with water, specifically.

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Diego: Interesting.

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Joshua: The thing with water benders in Avatar is that they can do a lot more.

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Joshua: Like every water bender can also control ice and blood, but only on a full moon, I think.

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Diego: Oh, that's weird.

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Diego: Can they control, can they change the states of matter, though?

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Joshua: I mean, no.

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Joshua: I mean, I don't think so.

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Diego: Like they can only control water in its liquid form?

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Joshua: No, they can turn water into ice.

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Joshua: Oh, so I guess they can.

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Diego: Yeah.

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Diego: Yeah, if you're able to do that, then yeah.

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Joshua: Yeah, I've never seen anybody in Avatar control water vapor, though.

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Joshua: So I'm not sure about that.

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Diego: Really?

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Diego: Oh, I'm kind of surprised by that.

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Diego: You would have figured that they would have gotten into that already, because it's like, I'm sure it could make for a pretty interesting way of surprising an enemy.

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Joshua: I'm not sure if, I'm not sure if airbenders would be able to do that, because airbenders can do, yeah, I don't know.

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Diego: But vapor, gas, that state of matter of water is not exactly air.

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Diego: Well, I mean, no, air, I guess when you start getting down into the molecular level, it is, yeah.

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Diego: Yeah, H2O.

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Diego: Interesting.

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Diego: Doesn't Cora also waterbender?

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Joshua: Yeah, Cora was, or she is, well, she's the avatar, so she can do everything, but she's also like, because she was the first avatar after Aang, and Aang was an airbender, and the cycle is like airbender, and then firebender, and then earthbender, and then, wait, no, it's waterbender, airbender, firebender, earthbender, waterbender.

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Joshua: It's like that, I'm pretty sure.

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Joshua: So after Aang, it went to Cora, and she was born in a water chai village.

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Joshua: So she was like born, her first element that she learned was water.

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Joshua: So she's like, or at least at the beginning, she was like the best at that, because that was her original element.

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Diego: Then there's the thought about water.

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Diego: Like if you were to think of water, the element of water as a good guy or a bad guy, how would you classify it?

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Diego: That's actually a really interesting question that I think we should ask about every element that we discussed.

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Joshua: Because I feel like it's...

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Joshua: I think it's like kind of an archetype of how characters who use certain elements are most of the time kind of associated with a certain archetype of a character.

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Diego: Yeah, right.

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Joshua: Like water is a lot of the time associated with good guys.

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Joshua: So I would definitely put that in a heroic...

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Diego: Yeah, like Lord Destruction Murder.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Diego: In My Hero Academia.

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Joshua: Mm-hmm.

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Diego: You know, it goes very much with his personality, right?

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Diego: He has an explosive personality in a very cartoonish way.

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Diego: He's very exaggerated in how explosive he is.

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Joshua: Everything about him is so...

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Diego: Sudden, loud, boom.

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Diego: Yeah, fire.

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Diego: So, but again, when you think of water, how do you classify water if water is a person?

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Diego: Do you look at them as good?

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Diego: You would, but let me throw you a curveball.

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Diego: Tsunamis, floods.

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Joshua: Those are just...

00:15:47.905 - 00:15:55.145
Joshua: Any element, if used in a certain way, can be extremely harmful or extremely helpful.

00:15:55.865 - 00:15:57.545
Joshua: Well, not fire.

00:15:57.565 - 00:15:57.665
Diego: Come on.

00:15:57.685 - 00:15:58.605
Joshua: Not fire, but...

00:15:59.945 - 00:16:00.525
Diego: I mean, yeah.

00:16:00.545 - 00:16:01.565
Diego: Fire can cook stuff.

00:16:01.585 - 00:16:02.725
Diego: Fire can warm you up.

00:16:03.985 - 00:16:05.105
Diego: Why are you looking at me like that?

00:16:06.125 - 00:16:06.485
Joshua: I mean...

00:16:06.505 - 00:16:06.965
Joshua: It's true.

00:16:06.985 - 00:16:08.845
Diego: Fire can be used for good.

00:16:08.865 - 00:16:13.285
Joshua: It's definitely out of the Four Elements.

00:16:13.305 - 00:16:15.665
Joshua: It's definitely the most harmful, though, I would say.

00:16:15.665 - 00:16:16.765
Diego: Yes, absolutely.

00:16:16.785 - 00:16:19.925
Diego: Because I think out of the Four Elements is the only one that you can't just touch.

00:16:20.365 - 00:16:20.725
Joshua: Yeah.

00:16:22.005 - 00:16:28.465
Joshua: It's the one that has way more purpose in destroying stuff than fixing stuff.

00:16:29.505 - 00:16:30.605
Diego: But enough about fire.

00:16:30.845 - 00:16:35.065
Diego: Water, though, there is a lot of destruction that water is a part of.

00:16:36.045 - 00:16:39.005
Diego: Seriously, think of flash floods, right?

00:16:39.105 - 00:16:39.925
Diego: Water can...

00:16:40.665 - 00:16:46.425
Diego: A river that overflows its banks can completely wipe out a whole neighborhood of houses.

00:16:47.025 - 00:16:50.285
Diego: A tsunami can come and destroy an entire coastal town.

00:16:52.485 - 00:16:53.905
Diego: Storms in the ocean.

00:16:54.525 - 00:17:08.325
Diego: You've seen the videos of ships that go out in the crazy middle of the ocean type areas, and they get caught in these insane storms, these massive waves, and you're wondering when they're going to die because it looks like the most horrible thing ever.

00:17:09.605 - 00:17:20.025
Diego: Obviously, water gives us so much life, blah, but also as a human being, spend more than a minute under water, you're probably going to drown and die.

00:17:20.045 - 00:17:22.185
Joshua: But Dukes, be realistic.

00:17:22.485 - 00:17:22.765
Joshua: What?

00:17:22.885 - 00:17:23.485
Joshua: No, no, no.

00:17:23.625 - 00:17:32.785
Joshua: I mean, when you think of water, you're going to say, when I think of water, I think that's like a...

00:17:33.605 - 00:17:34.325
Joshua: If I were to think...

00:17:34.345 - 00:17:36.685
Joshua: Okay, let me...

00:17:36.705 - 00:17:38.885
Diego: I understand.

00:17:38.905 - 00:17:43.125
Diego: I poured a whole mug of water over you just a minute ago, so I think you're still gathering your...

00:17:44.845 - 00:17:45.525
Joshua: If you were to...

00:17:46.025 - 00:17:53.025
Joshua: Honestly, if you were to think of water as a person, you would say that that's like evil, like the person would be like a bad person.

00:17:53.225 - 00:17:53.645
Diego: Water?

00:17:53.805 - 00:17:54.145
Joshua: Yeah.

00:17:54.385 - 00:17:55.405
Diego: Not necessarily.

00:17:55.625 - 00:17:56.265
Joshua: Exactly.

00:17:56.285 - 00:17:57.545
Joshua: That's what I'm trying to say.

00:17:57.565 - 00:17:58.325
Diego: Here's what I think.

00:17:58.345 - 00:18:00.885
Diego: If I think of air, I immediately think...

00:18:01.065 - 00:18:07.165
Diego: It's very difficult to think of air in any kind of bad way until you start thinking of tornadoes and hurricanes, of course.

00:18:09.205 - 00:18:11.425
Diego: I guess every element does have its good and its bad.

00:18:12.145 - 00:18:12.725
Diego: Here's the thing.

00:18:13.265 - 00:18:18.225
Diego: I have a very reverent relationship with water.

00:18:18.865 - 00:18:21.945
Diego: I've never been afraid of water itself.

00:18:22.445 - 00:18:23.725
Diego: I like going to the pool.

00:18:23.745 - 00:18:25.165
Diego: I enjoy going to the beach.

00:18:26.385 - 00:18:28.285
Diego: I like taking showers, unlike you.

00:18:29.485 - 00:18:30.125
Joshua: What?

00:18:30.125 - 00:18:39.885
Diego: There's a lot of stuff that I enjoy when it comes to water, but put me out in the middle of open water, where I can't see shore in any direction around me.

00:18:39.905 - 00:18:41.225
Joshua: Well, I mean, yeah, I'm terrified.

00:18:41.245 - 00:18:42.385
Diego: Immediately, I'm terrified.

00:18:42.405 - 00:18:47.265
Diego: No, but you've had a fear of water to a degree since you were little for some reason.

00:18:47.285 - 00:18:48.845
Joshua: That's not what it was.

00:18:48.865 - 00:18:50.505
Diego: Okay, fine.

00:18:50.525 - 00:18:53.985
Joshua: It's a fear of being just fully submerged.

00:18:54.385 - 00:18:55.765
Diego: That's my case.

00:18:55.925 - 00:19:01.465
Joshua: Yeah, but I'm not scared if I'm just in a pool.

00:19:03.205 - 00:19:05.585
Joshua: Like, I'm not scared of just water in general.

00:19:05.605 - 00:19:10.345
Diego: I mean, you look pretty scared just a minute ago when I poured a mug of water on you.

00:19:10.365 - 00:19:12.605
Joshua: Because you didn't tell me.

00:19:13.185 - 00:19:14.125
Diego: Why would I tell you?

00:19:14.145 - 00:19:15.705
Diego: I needed a legitimate reaction.

00:19:16.245 - 00:19:28.225
Diego: My point is, though, I feel that water is, like, an element that I treat with respect, because under certain circumstances, water can get pissed off and kill me.

00:19:29.105 - 00:19:31.345
Diego: And we're thinking of it as a person, as an entity.

00:19:32.085 - 00:19:39.205
Diego: You know, it can drown me, it can flood me, it can blast me away, it can submerge me and take my life.

00:19:40.345 - 00:19:46.405
Diego: You know, like, yes, it's, oh, water, how amazing, incredible, but it also could kill you in some instances.

00:19:46.425 - 00:19:49.485
Joshua: So I feel like most of the time, the water is just kind of, like, pretty chill.

00:19:49.505 - 00:19:53.505
Joshua: Like, it's just, like, flowing in a river, like, sitting in a lake or a pond.

00:19:53.665 - 00:19:57.305
Diego: But I need to take you out to open water in the middle of the night and stuff.

00:19:57.985 - 00:19:58.805
Joshua: What?

00:19:59.025 - 00:20:00.685
Diego: I'm just saying, man, you...

00:20:00.985 - 00:20:03.585
Diego: I don't know what your perspective of water is, but...

00:20:03.745 - 00:20:04.525
Joshua: Do you know that at night...

00:20:04.545 - 00:20:08.865
Diego: Like, if you're thinking of a pond or a lake, that's one thing, but if you go out into the...

00:20:08.945 - 00:20:14.945
Diego: We're talking the ocean, and you're getting into certain regions of the ocean, it's insane out there, man.

00:20:15.425 - 00:20:17.025
Diego: It's not nice at all, like...

00:20:17.125 - 00:20:19.305
Joshua: I know, but, I mean, that's...

00:20:20.325 - 00:20:23.705
Joshua: I'm just saying, when I think of water, I don't think of it as, like...

00:20:24.485 - 00:20:29.145
Joshua: I know it is, or I know it can be, but I don't think of it as destructive.

00:20:29.165 - 00:20:35.225
Diego: I don't think of it immediately as destructive, but I do think of it as an element that it's kind of, like, mess around and find out.

00:20:37.005 - 00:20:37.985
Diego: That's what I'm saying.

00:20:38.005 - 00:20:40.345
Joshua: Well, I feel like you could say that about any element, though.

00:20:41.125 - 00:20:44.005
Diego: Yes, yes.

00:20:44.965 - 00:20:46.065
Joshua: Air is kind of, I don't know.

00:20:46.645 - 00:20:51.145
Diego: Yeah, and I guess we'll get into discussing each element down the road and, like, what the good and the bad is.

00:20:51.525 - 00:20:58.885
Diego: But it's interesting when you start thinking about these elements, though, that it really can turn in either direction, right?

00:20:59.085 - 00:21:00.945
Diego: So it's like the most peaceful looking one.

00:21:00.965 - 00:21:02.945
Diego: Like, to me, water is a very peaceful one.

00:21:03.705 - 00:21:08.565
Diego: It is still, there's still a sense of, like, you better respect it, you know what I mean?

00:21:08.925 - 00:21:27.885
Diego: Like, if you think of, like, bending elements and stuff from Avatar, and you think of the guy who bends fire versus the guy who bends water, you probably see the guy who bends fire as a bigger threat until you start seeing the guy who bends water using it with, like, masterful skill.

00:21:28.405 - 00:21:31.425
Diego: And then you find out how many different ways you can die by water, you know what I mean?

00:21:31.445 - 00:21:49.965
Joshua: Yeah, there's a lot of scenes in Avatar where Katara or just any waterbender in general, if they're, like, trapped in, like, a jail cell maybe, they'll, there's one scene where Katara, she starts running in this jail cell, and then she uses her sweat, she, like, collects all her sweat.

00:21:50.465 - 00:22:05.605
Joshua: And she forms it into this, like, sharp, like, obviously water can, like, cut things, like, I don't know what they're called, but those machines that cut things with, like, concentrated beams of water.

00:22:07.045 - 00:22:10.525
Diego: It's a jet cutting machine or something like that?

00:22:10.545 - 00:22:11.285
Joshua: Yeah, whatever, that.

00:22:11.745 - 00:22:19.145
Joshua: She kind of, like, does that and she, like, saws off the bars of the jail cell with the water.

00:22:20.285 - 00:22:20.645
Joshua: Yeah.

00:22:20.825 - 00:22:21.385
Diego: Impressive.

00:22:23.985 - 00:22:32.705
Diego: So do you have, like, in the people that you kind of identified that they use water or, and let's say water in any of its states, right?

00:22:33.665 - 00:22:35.445
Diego: Do you have more good guys or bad guys?

00:22:36.425 - 00:22:37.965
Joshua: I think I have more good guys.

00:22:39.105 - 00:22:49.705
Joshua: I have, oh, for example, well, just, like, with tsunamis and, like, stuff like that.

00:22:50.845 - 00:23:01.425
Joshua: I mean, back in the old days, like ancient, ancient times, people used to just say, like, in Greece, obviously they would associate it with Poseidon.

00:23:01.805 - 00:23:04.325
Joshua: Like, Poseidon would be causing all this stuff.

00:23:04.445 - 00:23:05.205
Diego: Right, you got mad.

00:23:05.465 - 00:23:10.365
Joshua: Yeah, and, like, raining, it's like his tears or something.

00:23:10.705 - 00:23:23.485
Joshua: But his son, in a specific book series, Percy Jackson, his son is, like, when he starts off, it's, like, very surprising, and he can only control it a little bit.

00:23:23.725 - 00:23:30.285
Joshua: But sometimes he'll, like, control some water to, like, protect himself, kind of, like, just out of instinct.

00:23:30.305 - 00:23:33.545
Joshua: Like, if something's coming at him, he'll just, like, put up a wall or something.

00:23:34.025 - 00:23:40.605
Joshua: But later in the series, he gets, like, very, very gifted at water mending, pretty much.

00:23:41.605 - 00:23:42.125
Diego: That's it?

00:23:42.885 - 00:23:45.405
Joshua: I mean, that's it for Percy Jackson.

00:23:45.425 - 00:23:47.405
Diego: Wait, what's the name of this character?

00:23:47.425 - 00:23:47.825
Diego: Who is he?

00:23:48.485 - 00:23:49.305
Joshua: Percy Jackson?

00:23:49.725 - 00:23:50.825
Diego: No, the son of Poseidon.

00:23:51.105 - 00:23:52.005
Joshua: Percy Jackson?

00:23:52.265 - 00:23:53.565
Diego: Oh, he's the son of Poseidon?

00:23:53.685 - 00:23:54.125
Joshua: Yeah.

00:23:54.685 - 00:23:54.965
Diego: Oh.

00:23:55.625 - 00:23:55.865
Diego: Oh.

00:23:56.125 - 00:23:58.205
Diego: I thought he was, like, the son of some other cooler god.

00:23:59.205 - 00:23:59.465
Diego: What?

00:23:59.645 - 00:24:02.425
Diego: Sorry, I've never been, like, a big fan of Poseidon.

00:24:02.525 - 00:24:08.065
Diego: I've never been a big fan of, like, all the underwater kings, Poseidon, Aquaman, Namor, the Submariner.

00:24:08.085 - 00:24:09.945
Diego: Like, all those guys have always seemed kind of silly to me.

00:24:10.165 - 00:24:10.585
Joshua: Really?

00:24:10.605 - 00:24:11.845
Diego: A little bit.

00:24:13.105 - 00:24:15.445
Diego: I mean, Namor has, like, little wings on his feet, man.

00:24:15.525 - 00:24:16.305
Joshua: Yeah, it's true.

00:24:16.465 - 00:24:19.525
Joshua: I mean, so does Hermes.

00:24:19.545 - 00:24:20.405
Joshua: I don't like Hermes.

00:24:20.685 - 00:24:21.025
Diego: Yeah.

00:24:21.645 - 00:24:26.405
Diego: But anyway, as far as, like, other characters, I got one villain, Hydro Man, Spider-Man villain.

00:24:27.005 - 00:24:27.765
Joshua: Oh, yeah.

00:24:27.845 - 00:24:30.465
Diego: Yeah, that dude's straight up made out of water, like, water-wise.

00:24:30.485 - 00:24:31.985
Joshua: I mean, he is water, basically.

00:24:32.005 - 00:24:32.865
Diego: Yeah, he's all liquid.

00:24:32.885 - 00:24:36.165
Diego: So let me see, do I have any other villains?

00:24:37.965 - 00:24:40.585
Diego: Oh, yeah, it's the most thorny of them all, the liquidator.

00:24:41.345 - 00:24:43.245
Joshua: Who is the liquidator?

00:24:43.265 - 00:24:46.905
Diego: He's basically, like, Hydro Man, but he's a dog, and he's in Darkwing Duck.

00:24:48.225 - 00:24:49.085
Joshua: Wait, he's a dog?

00:24:49.105 - 00:24:50.585
Diego: He's the Hydro Man of Darkwing Duck.

00:24:51.085 - 00:24:51.925
Joshua: He's a dog?

00:24:52.085 - 00:24:52.705
Diego: He's a dog.

00:24:53.085 - 00:24:53.685
Diego: He's a pooch.

00:24:54.145 - 00:24:55.725
Joshua: Is he also, like, made out of water?

00:24:55.945 - 00:24:57.265
Diego: Yeah, he's straight up made out of water.

00:24:58.005 - 00:24:59.245
Diego: The liquidator.

00:25:02.445 - 00:25:02.925
Diego: I love it.

00:25:03.425 - 00:25:03.965
Diego: Let me see.

00:25:03.985 - 00:25:04.245
Diego: Who else?

00:25:04.265 - 00:25:04.965
Diego: I got Glacies.

00:25:04.985 - 00:25:06.765
Diego: Glacies in Killer Instinct is kind of like a...

00:25:06.805 - 00:25:09.385
Diego: I think he plays out as kind of a villain.

00:25:09.405 - 00:25:10.045
Diego: He's an alien.

00:25:10.325 - 00:25:10.885
Joshua: Oh, he is?

00:25:11.005 - 00:25:11.345
Diego: Yeah.

00:25:11.845 - 00:25:15.245
Diego: And he's always presented kind of in a villainous way, from what I can remember.

00:25:15.825 - 00:25:18.785
Diego: Sub-Zero has been villain hero, whatever, but Sub-Zero...

00:25:18.805 - 00:25:20.125
Joshua: Yeah, and he's also...

00:25:20.125 - 00:25:26.225
Diego: I used to classify him as a water-based user, but I guess we kind of proved this proven that.

00:25:26.245 - 00:25:29.945
Diego: He's actually just a cryokinetic cryomancer guy.

00:25:29.945 - 00:25:38.565
Joshua: He also gets absolutely just destroyed by Scorpion in every trailer for Mortal Kombat ever, pretty much.

00:25:38.965 - 00:25:39.485
Diego: I guess.

00:25:40.105 - 00:25:42.865
Diego: Oh, there is a character in Mortal Kombat who controls water, Rain.

00:25:44.465 - 00:25:45.285
Joshua: Oh, that's true.

00:25:45.325 - 00:25:47.625
Diego: Yeah, that dude straight up controls water, for sure.

00:25:48.465 - 00:25:51.745
Diego: It's pretty interesting, like the moves that they gave him that are water-based.

00:25:52.285 - 00:26:01.465
Joshua: I feel like, I don't know, I feel like there's a lot of just, in general, a lot of people who control ice, and like their main thing is ice.

00:26:01.485 - 00:26:04.545
Joshua: Maybe they can control water, but they control ice a lot of the time.

00:26:04.565 - 00:26:09.085
Joshua: I feel like that's the case a lot more than people who just control water straight up.

00:26:09.705 - 00:26:10.125
Joshua: I don't know.

00:26:10.145 - 00:26:11.125
Joshua: That's just my opinion, though.

00:26:12.205 - 00:26:12.545
Diego: Wait.

00:26:13.425 - 00:26:14.445
Diego: Say that again?

00:26:14.685 - 00:26:17.985
Joshua: I think there's more characters that control ice.

00:26:18.005 - 00:26:21.845
Joshua: If you mainly control ice, then there is characters who control water.

00:26:21.865 - 00:26:23.185
Diego: Yeah, for sure.

00:26:23.205 - 00:26:37.405
Diego: I think one of the characters, the few characters that I know straight up, whole power set is all about controlling water, and is very powerful is Mira from DC, Aquaman's wife, Jake.

00:26:37.425 - 00:26:39.945
Diego: She is really powerful when you really think about it.

00:26:40.585 - 00:26:43.765
Joshua: In the Aquaman movie, she always creates the bubbles.

00:26:44.545 - 00:26:46.005
Diego: But she can do a lot more than that.

00:26:47.145 - 00:26:48.545
Diego: It's pretty threatening.

00:26:49.025 - 00:26:51.545
Diego: She's basically a water bender who lives underwater.

00:26:51.805 - 00:26:52.205
Joshua: Yeah.

00:26:53.005 - 00:26:58.065
Diego: And so when you really start getting into that whole point of, oh, the older you get, the more tricks you learn.

00:26:58.145 - 00:27:06.005
Diego: The more time that you spend with this element that you can control, the more ways you find of using it, and the more of a connection you find with that element.

00:27:06.025 - 00:27:08.525
Joshua: Especially when you live in it.

00:27:08.685 - 00:27:08.905
Diego: Yeah.

00:27:08.925 - 00:27:10.025
Joshua: That's probably interesting.

00:27:10.245 - 00:27:11.265
Diego: Yeah, exactly.

00:27:11.885 - 00:27:15.025
Diego: Then you got Storm, the mutant from X-Men.

00:27:16.005 - 00:27:17.725
Diego: Who's gotten in many, many directions.

00:27:18.105 - 00:27:20.105
Diego: But she can definitely control water.

00:27:20.125 - 00:27:25.865
Diego: She can control humidity overall, everything that has to do with weather, and weather is hugely tied to it.

00:27:25.885 - 00:27:30.825
Joshua: Yeah, I feel like, I mean, does she basically control two of the four?

00:27:30.845 - 00:27:32.425
Joshua: Does she control wind and water?

00:27:32.605 - 00:27:34.205
Diego: Yeah, and lightning when you think of it.

00:27:34.505 - 00:27:34.965
Joshua: Oh, yeah.

00:27:34.985 - 00:27:39.605
Diego: Storm is actually one of the top tier mutants by this point in her comic book life.

00:27:40.005 - 00:27:40.245
Joshua: Oh.

00:27:40.485 - 00:27:41.125
Diego: Pretty crazy.

00:27:41.745 - 00:27:43.445
Diego: Also, she's T'Challa's ex, bro.

00:27:44.065 - 00:27:45.485
Diego: Ex-queen of Wakanda, what's up?

00:27:45.625 - 00:27:46.265
Joshua: They broke up.

00:27:46.645 - 00:27:47.185
Diego: They broke up.

00:27:48.705 - 00:27:49.605
Diego: Yeah, it is.

00:27:49.725 - 00:27:51.005
Diego: She's about to join the Avengers.

00:27:51.345 - 00:27:51.745
Joshua: Really?

00:27:52.085 - 00:27:53.525
Diego: Yeah, they've been advertising it.

00:27:55.365 - 00:27:58.005
Diego: Then you got Iceman from the X-Men.

00:27:58.025 - 00:27:58.325
Joshua: Yeah.

00:27:58.525 - 00:28:02.785
Diego: Another very, very powerful water-based user, I would say, in the ice flung.

00:28:03.685 - 00:28:04.765
Diego: I feel like he's...

00:28:06.465 - 00:28:07.805
Joshua: Is he water?

00:28:07.825 - 00:28:09.125
Joshua: Or like is he...

00:28:09.425 - 00:28:10.645
Diego: He's straight up ice.

00:28:11.005 - 00:28:11.965
Joshua: I mean, yeah.

00:28:12.525 - 00:28:17.605
Diego: But the dude generates ice out of nowhere, and he himself becomes ice.

00:28:18.325 - 00:28:22.145
Joshua: Do you think he's one of the people that can just...

00:28:22.905 - 00:28:24.145
Joshua: Kind of like Sub-Zero?

00:28:25.565 - 00:28:26.445
Diego: I don't think so, man.

00:28:26.465 - 00:28:27.745
Diego: I think it's more than that with him.

00:28:28.145 - 00:28:28.685
Diego: Sub-Zero...

00:28:28.705 - 00:28:30.285
Joshua: Does he just generate ice?

00:28:32.565 - 00:28:37.805
Diego: Yeah, but it seems like he's much more powerful than Sub-Zero when it comes to being a crime master.

00:28:39.225 - 00:28:41.105
Diego: Put those two in a fight.

00:28:42.085 - 00:28:46.905
Diego: Just like using based on the ice powers, I'm pretty sure Iceman is going to overtake Sub-Zero.

00:28:47.765 - 00:28:48.265
Joshua: Yeah.

00:28:48.385 - 00:28:51.505
Diego: Because I've never seen Sub-Zero become fully ice, for example.

00:28:51.525 - 00:28:54.985
Joshua: I mean, he has his thing where he kind of like covers himself in ice.

00:28:55.605 - 00:28:55.945
Diego: Yeah.

00:28:56.005 - 00:28:57.865
Joshua: But he never really...

00:28:58.085 - 00:28:59.625
Joshua: Like his entire body is...

00:28:59.645 - 00:29:02.065
Diego: His arms actually in like the latter games.

00:29:02.065 - 00:29:03.185
Joshua: Yeah, well, he kind of like...

00:29:03.205 - 00:29:04.225
Diego: His arms would become kind of icy.

00:29:04.245 - 00:29:07.945
Joshua: He can turn his arms into like blades or something with ice.

00:29:08.605 - 00:29:10.745
Joshua: But he can never like fully become ice.

00:29:10.865 - 00:29:11.185
Diego: Yeah.

00:29:11.265 - 00:29:15.845
Diego: But Iceman has been for a long time one of the most powerful like mutants on Earth, too.

00:29:15.885 - 00:29:19.725
Joshua: I mean, his whole design is he's literally just made out of ice.

00:29:19.925 - 00:29:20.285
Diego: Yeah.

00:29:20.485 - 00:29:29.545
Diego: And you've never seen Sub-Zero do something like what Iceman does where Iceman, like he surfs on ice, like generating ice at very fast speeds.

00:29:29.565 - 00:29:30.725
Diego: Like he doesn't even struggle.

00:29:32.105 - 00:29:32.925
Diego: Like frozen.

00:29:32.945 - 00:29:33.765
Joshua: Like frozen.

00:29:33.905 - 00:29:34.345
Diego: Yes.

00:29:34.565 - 00:29:36.485
Joshua: And his power is water, though.

00:29:36.605 - 00:29:37.245
Joshua: We know that.

00:29:37.665 - 00:29:38.065
Diego: Really?

00:29:38.185 - 00:29:53.645
Joshua: Because in, like, I don't know if it's the opening scene, but in one of the first scenes in The Incredibles 1, when they're like robbing the bank, and he's like, I just need some water.

00:29:54.105 - 00:30:02.045
Joshua: He reaches over, he fills up the water thing, little mini water cup, and he uses that to like blast all the police officers.

00:30:02.245 - 00:30:02.845
Diego: Oh, interesting.

00:30:02.905 - 00:30:03.705
Joshua: Well, I don't know.

00:30:03.765 - 00:30:05.465
Joshua: Maybe that is just he...

00:30:05.485 - 00:30:07.705
Diego: The cold, I feel like.

00:30:07.725 - 00:30:09.885
Joshua: So that's him changing the state of water.

00:30:10.825 - 00:30:11.705
Diego: Yeah, exactly.

00:30:11.965 - 00:30:15.805
Diego: Which would make him a cryokinetic, not a hydrokinetic.

00:30:16.825 - 00:30:17.885
Diego: Man, we got terms for this.

00:30:17.905 - 00:30:18.585
Diego: We're so fancy.

00:30:18.785 - 00:30:23.565
Joshua: Something I wanted to talk about was the game Sea of Thieves.

00:30:24.165 - 00:30:24.525
Diego: Okay.

00:30:24.745 - 00:30:26.965
Joshua: And it's a game about being a pirate and stuff.

00:30:27.025 - 00:30:28.625
Joshua: It's like an online multiplayer game.

00:30:29.225 - 00:30:36.985
Joshua: But the thing is, when you're on the water in your ship, I've seen that it looks so crazy.

00:30:37.005 - 00:30:42.165
Joshua: This is going away from water users, but it looks real.

00:30:42.165 - 00:30:46.565
Joshua: And the thing is, the art style of Sea of Thieves, it's very cartoonish.

00:30:47.005 - 00:30:51.825
Joshua: But when you're sailing, the water looks insanely real.

00:30:52.345 - 00:31:12.605
Joshua: And also, there's something I wanted to mention, is that when you get out of bounds, when you get too far from the main area in Sea of Thieves, the water starts to turn red, like blood water, because you're getting too far away from the borders of the map.

00:31:13.885 - 00:31:15.225
Joshua: And I feel like that's pretty cool.

00:31:15.745 - 00:31:16.425
Diego: That's not cool.

00:31:16.685 - 00:31:24.625
Joshua: And something that I think portrays water as pretty scary is the game Subnautica.

00:31:24.645 - 00:31:26.105
Diego: I don't remember that.

00:31:26.125 - 00:31:29.025
Joshua: Because Subnautica, it's all based around water.

00:31:29.745 - 00:31:33.425
Joshua: There's some land parts, but it's mostly about water.

00:31:33.865 - 00:31:37.825
Joshua: And the deeper you go, the darker it gets, the less you can see.

00:31:38.165 - 00:31:40.665
Joshua: And there's these bigger and bigger life forms.

00:31:41.105 - 00:31:46.305
Joshua: And there's this one message in the game where it's like, do you have to get something?

00:31:47.145 - 00:31:56.085
Joshua: And there's a message that pops up on your HUD, and it says, detecting multiple Leviathan class life forms in the area.

00:31:56.405 - 00:31:58.465
Joshua: Are you sure whatever you're doing is worth it?

00:31:58.485 - 00:31:59.685
Diego: The Leviathan class.

00:31:59.785 - 00:32:03.205
Joshua: Yeah, it's this big snake dragon type thing.

00:32:03.725 - 00:32:20.265
Joshua: But it's terrifying, because I had Submatica, and I remember I wanted to go as deep as I possibly could, and it was pitch black, and I couldn't see anything.

00:32:20.285 - 00:32:21.045
Joshua: It was terrifying.

00:32:21.145 - 00:32:25.565
Joshua: But yeah, that game uses water in a very interesting way.

00:32:26.685 - 00:32:27.785
Diego: Yeah, it's interesting.

00:32:28.385 - 00:32:37.265
Diego: If you have too much water, it becomes terrifying, and if you have too little water, it becomes terrifying.

00:32:37.445 - 00:32:44.145
Diego: Remember in Dune 2, in the planet Arrakis?

00:32:44.165 - 00:32:45.165
Diego: Arrakis, is that what it was called?

00:32:45.185 - 00:32:46.465
Diego: Yeah.

00:32:46.805 - 00:32:48.985
Diego: Remember how they had entire pools of water?

00:32:50.345 - 00:32:54.825
Joshua: Yeah, they had just based off of water that they collected from dead bodies.

00:32:54.865 - 00:32:57.605
Diego: And they considered it sacred, so they didn't touch it at all.

00:32:57.625 - 00:33:04.365
Joshua: But they had an entire, probably maybe a fist of an ocean in there, honestly.

00:33:05.645 - 00:33:10.325
Diego: And then there you go with the whole concept of how sacred water can be.

00:33:10.665 - 00:33:19.865
Diego: It's an interesting perspective actually in Arrakis and in the other culture, because water is so scarce that it really does take on a divine property.

00:33:20.705 - 00:33:23.725
Diego: It's almost more important than blood, it feels like.

00:33:23.745 - 00:33:25.205
Diego: It's almost like that is the blood.

00:33:25.225 - 00:33:26.765
Diego: That's the thing that keeps them alive.

00:33:26.845 - 00:33:30.685
Joshua: And they recycle spit and stuff.

00:33:31.605 - 00:33:41.405
Joshua: I remember in the first one, there was a scene where when Paul first gets into, or when he first just meets up with the, what's it called?

00:33:41.685 - 00:33:43.425
Joshua: Not just the sand people, right?

00:33:43.905 - 00:33:56.325
Joshua: And he sees them, they're spitting in these tubes, and it kind of takes out the bad stuff from it, and it just transforms it into water that they can drink and recycle and just keep doing it.

00:33:56.585 - 00:33:57.385
Diego: That's disgusting.

00:33:57.585 - 00:33:58.585
Joshua: I mean, it is, but it's...

00:33:58.745 - 00:33:59.645
Diego: But you got to do it.

00:33:59.665 - 00:33:59.945
Joshua: Yeah.

00:34:00.005 - 00:34:00.325
Diego: Yeah.

00:34:00.465 - 00:34:01.825
Diego: Same thing in outer space, right?

00:34:02.445 - 00:34:05.045
Diego: You have no choice but to recycle water in outer space.

00:34:05.085 - 00:34:07.065
Diego: Where are you going to find water out there?

00:34:07.465 - 00:34:08.825
Diego: That's pretty interesting.

00:34:09.565 - 00:34:12.905
Diego: And of course, real-life astronauts have to deal with that stuff constantly up there.

00:34:15.005 - 00:34:24.785
Diego: Another interesting thing is how when immediately when you have, let's say, a planet that is completely filled with water, suddenly you're in a completely alien place.

00:34:24.885 - 00:34:29.205
Diego: Here on Earth, we're familiar, more or less...

00:34:29.225 - 00:34:35.785
Diego: I mean, there's a ton and ton of species out there that we haven't discovered or that we don't know casually.

00:34:35.825 - 00:34:36.265
Diego: But...

00:34:37.605 - 00:34:38.305
Joshua: In the water?

00:34:38.325 - 00:34:44.425
Diego: I know a lot because of YouTube now and all the different social media videos that are out there.

00:34:45.085 - 00:34:49.825
Diego: But as soon as you step into the ocean, it really does feel like an alien place.

00:34:50.425 - 00:34:56.605
Diego: You might as well be in another planet because the deeper you get, like you're talking about Aquanautica, Subnautica.

00:34:57.325 - 00:35:01.585
Diego: The deeper you get, the more and more alien the world becomes, you know?

00:35:01.825 - 00:35:09.345
Joshua: Yeah, the deeper you get, the more things start to look like they shouldn't belong on this planet.

00:35:09.365 - 00:35:09.945
Diego: Exactly.

00:35:10.585 - 00:35:13.425
Diego: And the thing that causes that is water.

00:35:13.905 - 00:35:22.345
Diego: Because if you were to remove all the oceans, all the water from the oceans, those would just be caverns and mountains, very, very deep, deep, deep, deep, deep mountains and caverns.

00:35:24.005 - 00:35:31.325
Diego: And so then presumably, you're going to get more of what we already have here in the surface land, right, in the land area.

00:35:31.625 - 00:35:35.785
Diego: But the water is what makes it possible for things to become so freaking alien in there.

00:35:35.985 - 00:35:47.465
Joshua: I always wonder what's like what creatures live in the Marinara, not the Marinara Trench, the Mariana Trench.

00:35:47.505 - 00:35:51.445
Diego: I like to go to the Marinara Trench and eat some parmesan.

00:35:52.665 - 00:35:58.145
Joshua: Okay, parmesan, parmesan, but yeah, just I like I could not.

00:35:58.305 - 00:36:02.045
Joshua: Also the pressure is insane down there.

00:36:02.065 - 00:36:02.525
Diego: Yeah, right.

00:36:02.805 - 00:36:09.885
Diego: Like, if it makes it prohibitive, like you got to be made for that environment, otherwise you don't you're not going to last there long there.

00:36:10.045 - 00:36:20.905
Joshua: And I don't know how I didn't realize, like, but somehow I didn't like just know that water pressure is just all of the water on top of you.

00:36:21.185 - 00:36:21.485
Diego: Right.

00:36:21.505 - 00:36:24.105
Joshua: That's above you, like, weighing down on you.

00:36:24.185 - 00:36:24.565
Joshua: Yeah.

00:36:24.745 - 00:36:25.045
Diego: Yeah.

00:36:25.465 - 00:36:26.565
Diego: It's terrifying, man.

00:36:26.845 - 00:36:32.565
Joshua: The deep for me is like, there reminds me of that one time with the submarine.

00:36:33.045 - 00:36:33.685
Diego: With the what?

00:36:33.765 - 00:36:34.705
Joshua: With the submarine.

00:36:35.145 - 00:36:35.905
Diego: The submarine?

00:36:36.225 - 00:36:38.105
Diego: What submarine?

00:36:38.105 - 00:36:39.645
Joshua: The Titanic submarine?

00:36:40.445 - 00:36:40.865
Diego: Wow.

00:36:40.885 - 00:36:41.825
Diego: You're taking it there, huh?

00:36:42.745 - 00:36:50.765
Diego: But listen, to the big question that everybody has here, Squirtle, is he some sort of controller of water?

00:36:50.785 - 00:36:51.685
Joshua: He's a water gun.

00:36:51.705 - 00:36:52.845
Diego: A hydrokinetic?

00:36:52.865 - 00:36:53.245
Joshua: Yes.

00:36:53.645 - 00:36:53.905
Joshua: Yes.

00:36:53.905 - 00:36:54.785
Diego: Are you sure though?

00:36:54.805 - 00:37:01.445
Diego: Because the man has a whole mechanism that looks like mechanical strapped to him.

00:37:01.625 - 00:37:03.805
Joshua: How does he collect the water, then?

00:37:03.825 - 00:37:05.145
Joshua: How does he get it?

00:37:05.165 - 00:37:06.785
Diego: So you're saying he generates the water?

00:37:06.965 - 00:37:07.385
Joshua: Yes.

00:37:07.465 - 00:37:09.185
Joshua: I'm saying he creates water.

00:37:09.205 - 00:37:11.405
Diego: How much water can fit inside the little turtle, dude?

00:37:12.465 - 00:37:13.585
Joshua: I'm saying he generates it.

00:37:18.185 - 00:37:20.085
Joshua: He just creates water and he...

00:37:21.445 - 00:37:24.645
Diego: I need someone to like hyperanalyze the anatomy...

00:37:24.805 - 00:37:25.505
Joshua: Of Squirtle?

00:37:25.765 - 00:37:26.345
Diego: Of Squirtle.

00:37:26.365 - 00:37:29.365
Diego: And probably Pokemon in general, because there's some weird Pokemon.

00:37:30.085 - 00:37:31.025
Diego: But yeah, Squirtle.

00:37:31.045 - 00:37:32.565
Diego: Like how the hell does he work?

00:37:32.585 - 00:37:33.545
Diego: How does he function?

00:37:33.565 - 00:37:35.945
Diego: Does he take it from the air, moisture around him?

00:37:36.405 - 00:37:37.745
Diego: Can he generate water?

00:37:37.765 - 00:37:38.665
Diego: Is that even a thing?

00:37:38.685 - 00:37:43.685
Diego: What kind of chemical explosions does he have going on inside of him to generate water?

00:37:43.705 - 00:37:44.385
Joshua: It's magic.

00:37:44.505 - 00:37:45.225
Joshua: It's magic.

00:37:45.265 - 00:37:45.845
Joshua: It's magic.

00:37:45.885 - 00:37:46.905
Diego: That's your explanation?

00:37:46.985 - 00:37:47.385
Joshua: Yes.

00:37:47.665 - 00:37:48.085
Joshua: It does.

00:37:48.105 - 00:37:50.025
Joshua: That's not that crazy for Pokemon, though.

00:37:50.045 - 00:37:50.425
Diego: Witches?

00:37:51.025 - 00:37:51.785
Diego: That's your answer?

00:37:51.825 - 00:37:53.305
Joshua: Squirtle is a wizard.

00:37:53.325 - 00:37:54.645
Diego: Like that teacher from Spider-Man?

00:37:57.065 - 00:37:57.505
Joshua: Remember?

00:37:58.805 - 00:38:01.425
Joshua: What are you actually talking about?

00:38:01.445 - 00:38:03.165
Diego: Spider-Man, far from home.

00:38:04.845 - 00:38:07.505
Diego: The teacher, he was like, you know, what's your explanation?

00:38:07.525 - 00:38:07.925
Diego: Witches.

00:38:08.525 - 00:38:09.545
Diego: You don't remember this?

00:38:10.325 - 00:38:10.705
Joshua: No.

00:38:10.845 - 00:38:11.665
Diego: No, you need to remember.

00:38:11.685 - 00:38:13.405
Joshua: Wait, no way home or far from home?

00:38:13.425 - 00:38:14.085
Diego: No way.

00:38:14.105 - 00:38:14.605
Diego: Far from home.

00:38:16.985 - 00:38:17.585
Diego: Oh man, this guy.

00:38:17.925 - 00:38:22.865
Diego: Okay, back to the second big question that everybody came here to this episode for.

00:38:23.565 - 00:38:24.685
Diego: Elsa from Frozen.

00:38:25.285 - 00:38:25.725
Joshua: Yeah.

00:38:26.605 - 00:38:27.905
Diego: Can she control water?

00:38:28.105 - 00:38:29.025
Joshua: Or is it just ice?

00:38:29.765 - 00:38:30.605
Diego: Is it just ice?

00:38:30.925 - 00:38:33.645
Diego: Is she a hydrokinetic or is she a cryokinetic?

00:38:34.025 - 00:38:37.965
Diego: Because when you really think of it, we've only seen her in cold environments, right?

00:38:38.165 - 00:38:38.625
Joshua: Yeah.

00:38:38.905 - 00:38:45.145
Diego: So, what happens if you put Elsa in Cancun, Mexico, on a beach?

00:38:46.325 - 00:38:47.065
Diego: Like that's it.

00:38:47.085 - 00:38:47.865
Diego: She's powerless.

00:38:47.905 - 00:38:50.545
Diego: She's just one more helpless Disney princess.

00:38:50.565 - 00:38:56.545
Joshua: If you put her on a beach, theoretically, could she use the water?

00:38:57.285 - 00:38:57.905
Diego: To freeze it?

00:38:58.305 - 00:38:59.565
Joshua: Could she freeze the water?

00:38:59.825 - 00:39:01.765
Diego: Well, if she does that, then she's a cryokinetic.

00:39:02.505 - 00:39:09.765
Diego: My question is, with no ice around her, can she actually use the water in the same way that she uses the ice?

00:39:10.145 - 00:39:14.425
Joshua: Put her in the middle of literally nowhere in New Mexico.

00:39:15.785 - 00:39:19.945
Joshua: Will there be ice in one hour if you leave her be and then you come back?

00:39:20.005 - 00:39:20.785
Joshua: Will there be ice?

00:39:20.805 - 00:39:21.805
Diego: Why New Mexico, man?

00:39:21.925 - 00:39:22.825
Joshua: Dukes, it's hot.

00:39:23.825 - 00:39:24.785
Diego: Oh, like desert.

00:39:24.905 - 00:39:25.305
Joshua: Yeah.

00:39:26.645 - 00:39:28.785
Diego: Like, what can she do in desert temperatures?

00:39:28.945 - 00:39:29.845
Joshua: Can she do anything?

00:39:30.685 - 00:39:31.685
Diego: That's a good question.

00:39:31.705 - 00:39:33.945
Diego: What can Sub-Zero do in that scenario?

00:39:34.045 - 00:39:35.885
Diego: What happens to Iceman in that scenario?

00:39:36.425 - 00:39:39.005
Joshua: Well, he like, I don't know.

00:39:39.285 - 00:39:39.765
Joshua: I don't know.

00:39:39.785 - 00:39:41.345
Joshua: I feel like that's a good question.

00:39:41.945 - 00:39:46.345
Joshua: Putting any ice user in a desert, like, can they do anything?

00:39:46.945 - 00:40:04.805
Joshua: Well, I know for a fact that Todoroki can, because there's a scene in the first season where, you know, when they go up against those like big massive mechs, Todoroki, there's a scene where there's like no water slash ice in sight.

00:40:05.425 - 00:40:08.305
Joshua: And he just like drags his handle on the ground.

00:40:08.705 - 00:40:15.385
Joshua: And when he brings it up, a giant ice wall is just there and it like crashes into the mechs.

00:40:15.665 - 00:40:17.185
Diego: So what does he generate the ice from?

00:40:17.205 - 00:40:18.705
Diego: Like from the depths of his heart?

00:40:19.505 - 00:40:20.525
Joshua: I mean, I don't know.

00:40:20.545 - 00:40:26.345
Joshua: Maybe he was changing the molecular structure of everything.

00:40:26.365 - 00:40:28.245
Joshua: He was like making the moisture in me.

00:40:30.005 - 00:40:30.545
Diego: Come on now.

00:40:30.565 - 00:40:31.585
Diego: The dude isn't a god.

00:40:33.525 - 00:40:33.865
Joshua: Well.

00:40:34.865 - 00:40:41.845
Diego: Like he's, okay, he's powerful, but he's not Squirtle, who regenerates water out of nowhere.

00:40:41.965 - 00:40:44.625
Joshua: Yeah, Squirtle is, Squirtle might.

00:40:45.245 - 00:40:46.005
Diego: Squirtle's dope.

00:40:46.025 - 00:40:51.365
Diego: Squirtle can save all of these Hydromancers, and I don't know, Cryomancers in the middle of the desert.

00:40:51.485 - 00:40:52.145
Joshua: Yeah, he can.

00:40:52.285 - 00:40:54.965
Diego: Squirtle, Squirtle, you know, water for everybody, boom, they're saved.

00:40:55.485 - 00:40:55.785
Joshua: Yeah.

00:40:56.285 - 00:40:57.165
Joshua: Wait, can Squirtle.

00:40:57.185 - 00:40:59.885
Diego: Squirtle is very quickly emerging as the top character here.

00:41:00.025 - 00:41:01.905
Joshua: Can Squirtle control ice at all?

00:41:02.185 - 00:41:02.965
Diego: That's a good question.

00:41:03.145 - 00:41:03.585
Joshua: That is.

00:41:03.605 - 00:41:05.945
Diego: What happens to him in like sub-Arctic environments?

00:41:05.965 - 00:41:06.505
Joshua: That's a good question.

00:41:07.065 - 00:41:07.885
Diego: We've never seen that.

00:41:07.925 - 00:41:12.505
Joshua: Could he turn, could he turn the ice into water, or would he utilize the ice?

00:41:13.005 - 00:41:17.085
Diego: Oh man, imagine if he's able to like use that cannon to like shoot icicles.

00:41:17.205 - 00:41:19.005
Joshua: Like spikes, ice spikes.

00:41:19.785 - 00:41:20.165
Diego: Yikes.

00:41:20.405 - 00:41:21.025
Diego: Ice spikes?

00:41:22.085 - 00:41:26.805
Joshua: He just, he just, he just hits a trainer in the head with an icicle.

00:41:27.145 - 00:41:29.465
Joshua: He just dies right there on the spot.

00:41:29.805 - 00:41:32.345
Diego: Is ice spice a cryomancer or a hydromancer?

00:41:32.685 - 00:41:34.245
Joshua: Dukes, I don't know, I don't know.

00:41:34.265 - 00:41:42.965
Diego: Okay, speaking of heart, Captain Planet, he's our hero, gonna take pollution down to zero.

00:41:43.905 - 00:41:44.725
Diego: 90s kids know.

00:41:44.865 - 00:41:45.805
Diego: What's up, 90s kids?

00:41:46.025 - 00:41:51.165
Diego: Anyway, Captain Planet, Captain Planet is actually a whole show that like uses the Four Elements.

00:41:51.745 - 00:41:53.825
Diego: Five Elements, because they have the element of heart.

00:41:54.425 - 00:41:54.825
Joshua: Really?

00:41:56.525 - 00:41:59.065
Joshua: Do they actually put that along with the other four elements?

00:41:59.085 - 00:42:05.045
Diego: Definitely, yes, there are five rings, and it's water, ice, earth, and wind.

00:42:05.745 - 00:42:10.265
Diego: And there is a fifth dude who is a very sweet guy called Kwami.

00:42:10.745 - 00:42:11.325
Joshua: Kwami?

00:42:11.345 - 00:42:11.745
Diego: Kwami.

00:42:12.105 - 00:42:13.865
Diego: And he has the ring of heart.

00:42:14.645 - 00:42:16.185
Joshua: That's that's that's great.

00:42:16.205 - 00:42:16.365
Diego: Yeah.

00:42:16.565 - 00:42:20.045
Diego: Let's just say that teenage me wasn't very fond of Kwami.

00:42:23.765 - 00:42:29.225
Diego: Because, like, I mean, villains are coming at you, you know, wind.

00:42:29.745 - 00:42:37.565
Diego: Yeah, you repel, push them away, whatever, you know, fire and over that tank that's coming at you, fire, you burn them, water, you wash them away.

00:42:37.585 - 00:42:39.825
Joshua: Earth, you like, put up a wall.

00:42:39.825 - 00:42:40.825
Diego: Right, exactly.

00:42:40.845 - 00:42:44.445
Diego: But heart, heart, you kill them with good intentions.

00:42:44.465 - 00:42:45.425
Joshua: Do you like charm them?

00:42:47.385 - 00:42:48.425
Diego: I'm just saying, man, I don't know.

00:42:49.525 - 00:42:53.005
Diego: But anyway, yeah, the five rings combined, and Captain Planet comes out, right?

00:42:54.685 - 00:42:57.445
Diego: And of course, each ring has power in and of itself.

00:42:58.305 - 00:43:03.025
Diego: So like, you could, like, they were able to individually use their rings and use those elements.

00:43:03.125 - 00:43:04.605
Joshua: What did he do though?

00:43:04.765 - 00:43:05.065
Diego: Who?

00:43:05.705 - 00:43:06.185
Joshua: Kwame.

00:43:06.205 - 00:43:07.725
Diego: You're still stuck on Kwame?

00:43:07.785 - 00:43:09.525
Joshua: No, what did he do?

00:43:10.105 - 00:43:16.245
Diego: He hearted people, bro, what do you want me to do?

00:43:16.265 - 00:43:17.945
Diego: Okay, so we just took a little pause.

00:43:18.245 - 00:43:18.485
Joshua: Yeah.

00:43:18.505 - 00:43:22.025
Diego: And we went and watched some videos of Captain Planet.

00:43:22.325 - 00:43:25.245
Diego: So first of all, I want to apologize to all the Kwame fans.

00:43:25.465 - 00:43:28.065
Diego: Kwame is actually the dude who controls Earth.

00:43:28.185 - 00:43:28.685
Joshua: Yeah.

00:43:29.565 - 00:43:30.745
Diego: Kwame is dope, okay?

00:43:30.765 - 00:43:32.065
Diego: Kwame is my boy.

00:43:32.085 - 00:43:33.545
Joshua: Yeah, he has actual powers.

00:43:33.565 - 00:43:34.225
Diego: Yes, he does.

00:43:34.245 - 00:43:36.465
Diego: He can wreck a guy with his Earth powers.

00:43:37.345 - 00:43:40.885
Diego: Mati, on the other hand, who is the guy who controls the heart ring.

00:43:41.105 - 00:43:48.725
Joshua: And it's so funny, literally in the video, in the intro of the show, I'm guessing, it shows everyone's powers.

00:43:49.025 - 00:43:52.865
Joshua: It's like Kwame, Earth, blah, blah, blah, from like water.

00:43:53.105 - 00:43:54.745
Joshua: And then it gets to Mati.

00:43:55.225 - 00:43:58.205
Joshua: Mati, heart, and he does nothing.

00:43:58.225 - 00:43:59.025
Diego: Nothing, like.

00:43:59.185 - 00:44:03.225
Joshua: Like all the other people, it was a demonstration of their power.

00:44:03.245 - 00:44:05.105
Diego: Yeah, and it looked dope, it looked badass.

00:44:05.105 - 00:44:07.905
Joshua: And then Mati, they're like Mati.

00:44:07.925 - 00:44:14.665
Diego: There were a bunch of animals being burned in a South American jungle, and the dude just put his ring up and nothing happened.

00:44:14.685 - 00:44:16.745
Diego: And then we went on to Captain Planet.

00:44:17.105 - 00:44:18.125
Diego: There was nothing.

00:44:18.265 - 00:44:19.785
Diego: Oh man, Mati.

00:44:21.245 - 00:44:24.625
Diego: Why did it have to be the Hispanic guy that they chose for the heart?

00:44:24.645 - 00:44:25.665
Joshua: Yeah, from South America.

00:44:25.685 - 00:44:27.125
Joshua: He might be from Columbia, I'm seeing.

00:44:27.365 - 00:44:28.665
Diego: Oh, Jesus.

00:44:28.785 - 00:44:30.305
Diego: No, I think he's probably Brazilian.

00:44:30.325 - 00:44:31.325
Diego: I hope he's Brazilian.

00:44:32.725 - 00:44:37.105
Diego: Anyway, yeah, so the other planet-tears.

00:44:37.125 - 00:44:44.725
Diego: No, listen, there's probably like Captain Planet purists out there who are all like, no, Kwame is needed, without heart, the other elements have nothing.

00:44:47.405 - 00:44:49.565
Joshua: Cap, first of all, because-

00:44:49.585 - 00:44:50.185
Diego: Tim Planet?

00:44:50.625 - 00:44:51.005
Joshua: Yeah.

00:44:51.025 - 00:44:51.865
Diego: Captain Planet?

00:44:51.945 - 00:44:52.785
Joshua: Okay, no.

00:44:54.045 - 00:44:55.025
Diego: Anyway, so-

00:44:55.825 - 00:44:59.665
Diego: But yeah, I forget the chick's name who controls water, but she's dope.

00:44:59.685 - 00:45:00.705
Joshua: Is it the Russian girl?

00:45:02.085 - 00:45:02.845
Joshua: Oh, it's the Asian girl.

00:45:03.005 - 00:45:04.025
Diego: Yeah.

00:45:04.045 - 00:45:08.885
Diego: Yeah, she's like, cool, water serves its purpose in Captain Planet for sure.

00:45:08.905 - 00:45:13.405
Joshua: Captain America was frozen in ice for 70 years.

00:45:13.425 - 00:45:16.965
Diego: That does not make him an anything, man, sir or medic.

00:45:17.305 - 00:45:20.405
Joshua: But he was he was in ice, son, it makes him nothing.

00:45:20.825 - 00:45:22.085
Joshua: Okay, Mr.

00:45:22.505 - 00:45:23.145
Joshua: What's his name?

00:45:23.165 - 00:45:23.685
Joshua: What's his name?

00:45:23.745 - 00:45:24.305
Joshua: Iceman.

00:45:24.325 - 00:45:26.145
Joshua: He was he's in ice.

00:45:26.505 - 00:45:26.945
Joshua: Captain.

00:45:27.105 - 00:45:27.985
Diego: He is ice.

00:45:28.005 - 00:45:29.665
Joshua: But no, he's in ice.

00:45:29.685 - 00:45:31.625
Joshua: Captain America was in ice.

00:45:32.125 - 00:45:35.265
Joshua: So he's a he's a man, sir.

00:45:35.405 - 00:45:37.745
Diego: Bro, don't let me take out my heart ring.

00:45:38.005 - 00:45:39.965
Diego: Okay, you don't want to see what I can do to you.

00:45:39.985 - 00:45:41.665
Diego: I will wreck you with my heart ring.

00:45:42.285 - 00:45:45.405
Diego: You're not going to do I will throw so many hearts at you.

00:45:45.765 - 00:45:47.485
Joshua: The thing is, he didn't even heart you.

00:45:47.505 - 00:45:49.585
Joshua: He didn't even like shoot out hard.

00:45:49.625 - 00:45:50.845
Diego: Nothing like nothing.

00:45:50.885 - 00:45:52.085
Diego: Even the care bears.

00:45:52.265 - 00:45:55.105
Joshua: He puts up his ring and nothing happened.

00:45:55.145 - 00:45:56.985
Diego: The care bears shoot out hearts.

00:45:57.665 - 00:45:59.465
Diego: Yeah, but but Mati does nothing.

00:45:59.545 - 00:46:01.085
Diego: Yeah, he does nothing.

00:46:01.405 - 00:46:02.565
Joshua: He's just like kind of there.

00:46:03.105 - 00:46:10.205
Joshua: I think honestly, my honest take is that they needed a character to represent Hispanics, and they were like, what can we add?

00:46:12.545 - 00:46:13.245
Diego: Oh, man.

00:46:13.445 - 00:46:15.725
Diego: Couldn't they just do like plasma or something?

00:46:15.745 - 00:46:16.405
Joshua: Exactly.

00:46:16.425 - 00:46:17.165
Diego: Come on, man.

00:46:17.185 - 00:46:19.525
Joshua: They're like lightning.

00:46:19.845 - 00:46:21.945
Diego: Yeah, like electricity.

00:46:21.965 - 00:46:22.465
Diego: There you go.

00:46:22.505 - 00:46:23.045
Joshua: Exactly.

00:46:23.065 - 00:46:23.905
Diego: That would have been awesome.

00:46:25.505 - 00:46:26.245
Joshua: Not heart.

00:46:26.265 - 00:46:28.005
Diego: I don't know how we can recover from this.

00:46:30.445 - 00:46:31.805
Diego: Should we talk about Squirtle some more?

00:46:32.425 - 00:46:35.325
Diego: Because Squirtle will like beat Mati's behind.

00:46:38.265 - 00:46:38.585
Joshua: Oh, man.

00:46:38.605 - 00:46:46.965
Joshua: I mean, that's basically just a god versus a South American boy with the special ring that does nothing.

00:46:48.205 - 00:46:49.085
Diego: That's just absurd.

00:46:49.105 - 00:46:52.025
Diego: I'm starting to feel like you're talking about me somehow.

00:46:52.045 - 00:46:52.685
Diego: I don't know.

00:46:52.705 - 00:46:54.285
Diego: Okay, we need to move past Mati now.

00:46:55.385 - 00:46:56.365
Diego: Sorry again to Kwame.

00:46:56.385 - 00:46:57.165
Diego: I apologize, bro.

00:46:57.405 - 00:47:11.565
Diego: Anyway, there's another thing that water, because it's so restrictive and we're not native to water, it also plays a role in a lot of stories where it's like causing some sort of separation barrier, something, right?

00:47:12.245 - 00:47:20.145
Joshua: Like an avatar, the way of water, not the last airbender, an avatar, the way of water.

00:47:20.325 - 00:47:21.905
Diego: What was the limitation of water?

00:47:23.705 - 00:47:24.485
Joshua: The limitation?

00:47:24.525 - 00:47:25.485
Joshua: Oh, well, just like the...

00:47:26.025 - 00:47:28.805
Diego: Well, I guess it did present a challenge because they had to learn.

00:47:28.925 - 00:47:29.285
Joshua: Yeah.

00:47:29.405 - 00:47:32.865
Joshua: I mean, the culture was different, and they were kind of getting bullied.

00:47:33.005 - 00:47:33.245
Diego: Yeah.

00:47:33.265 - 00:47:40.545
Diego: That's a great example, actually, of how you put a planet full of water or an area full of water on a planet that you get a very, very different world.

00:47:41.545 - 00:47:53.885
Joshua: And people who live in coastal areas, people who live on islands and stuff, like in the Caribbean, or just anywhere, really, people who live on islands that's very secluded, they'll have a very different life.

00:47:55.385 - 00:47:59.985
Joshua: I mean, their whole life is like basically fishing, like, I mean, yeah.

00:48:00.205 - 00:48:03.565
Diego: Like the Polynesian cultures, like Moana, you know?

00:48:04.425 - 00:48:08.925
Diego: Like you see how in that movie, the water played such an important theme.

00:48:09.085 - 00:48:10.785
Joshua: And like the whole thing was derived from it.

00:48:10.805 - 00:48:13.985
Joshua: The whole thing was like, don't go past the what?

00:48:14.025 - 00:48:16.985
Joshua: Don't go past the, I don't know, don't go past to something.

00:48:17.005 - 00:48:18.605
Joshua: It was like some barrier in the water.

00:48:19.725 - 00:48:25.665
Diego: Then there's like, I'm reading this comic right now from Aquaman.

00:48:25.685 - 00:48:30.865
Diego: I don't read a lot of Aquaman, because like I said before, Aquaman has never been like a fun character for me.

00:48:30.885 - 00:48:31.765
Joshua: He's kind of yapp.

00:48:32.165 - 00:48:43.625
Diego: Well, ever since, I feel like ever since Jason Momoa started playing Aquaman, like suddenly the writers started feeling like this liberty to take Aquaman in different directions.

00:48:43.645 - 00:48:49.105
Diego: So like the Aquaman comics that I'm reading are from like the DC Rebirth era, which is not too far ago.

00:48:49.705 - 00:48:55.105
Diego: And in that one, he's basically starting to look like Jason Momoa just blonde.

00:48:55.625 - 00:48:58.845
Joshua: Oh, so like big, like long beard, long hair.

00:48:59.325 - 00:49:00.465
Diego: Long beard, long hair.

00:49:00.485 - 00:49:02.045
Diego: He even got some tattoos now.

00:49:02.265 - 00:49:02.665
Joshua: Really?

00:49:03.445 - 00:49:03.745
Joshua: How?

00:49:03.765 - 00:49:04.985
Diego: It's actually a really cool story.

00:49:05.005 - 00:49:06.365
Diego: They were granted by like this god.

00:49:06.905 - 00:49:12.425
Diego: I love the fact that like in this story, they're like he lost his memory at this point.

00:49:12.765 - 00:49:20.245
Diego: He forgot who he was, and he ended up shipwrecked or whatever in this island, where there were only a handful, maybe like a dozen dwellers.

00:49:21.245 - 00:49:24.765
Diego: And little by little, the story unfolds, and you find out that these people are...

00:49:24.785 - 00:49:27.765
Diego: Sorry, spoiler alert, I guess, if you haven't read this Aquaman...

00:49:27.785 - 00:49:28.665
Joshua: They're gods.

00:49:28.665 - 00:49:29.845
Diego: Yeah, they're gods.

00:49:29.905 - 00:49:30.465
Joshua: Oh, really?

00:49:30.485 - 00:49:31.565
Diego: But they're like the old gods.

00:49:31.585 - 00:49:33.125
Diego: You know how DC has the new gods?

00:49:33.145 - 00:49:33.465
Joshua: Yeah.

00:49:33.525 - 00:49:35.745
Diego: They're part of the old gods, like of that vanguard.

00:49:35.945 - 00:49:40.185
Diego: And so they are all very ocean-based gods.

00:49:41.705 - 00:49:47.285
Diego: And the design of the characters, the abilities that they have, everything is like ocean-based.

00:49:47.305 - 00:49:50.065
Joshua: Did they appear as humans at first?

00:49:50.125 - 00:49:50.465
Diego: Yeah.

00:49:51.085 - 00:49:52.345
Diego: Yeah, they had like human forms.

00:49:52.745 - 00:49:57.525
Diego: Kind of like Diablo from Suicide Squad.

00:49:58.685 - 00:49:59.585
Joshua: Oh, yeah.

00:49:59.645 - 00:50:03.985
Diego: Yeah, just like a human form, and then suddenly he transformed into this much taller god-like being.

00:50:04.365 - 00:50:05.325
Diego: It's kind of like that.

00:50:05.345 - 00:50:06.025
Diego: They had very...

00:50:06.045 - 00:50:08.225
Diego: And they had these really cool designs.

00:50:08.245 - 00:50:09.525
Diego: All of them, each of them were different.

00:50:09.545 - 00:50:10.425
Diego: They looked really, really cool.

00:50:11.345 - 00:50:13.325
Diego: But anyway, yeah, it's really cool.

00:50:13.345 - 00:50:32.485
Diego: And the same thing happened with Avatar Way of Water, that when you craft a culture that revolves all around the ocean and the water, it's so unique and so different from anything else, because the water just has, again, these alien properties, and it's a whole different world.

00:50:32.505 - 00:50:34.825
Diego: Anyway, hot take.

00:50:35.765 - 00:50:38.545
Diego: Moses is a hydrokinetic.

00:50:39.265 - 00:50:40.965
Joshua: Oh, because he split the Red Sea.

00:50:41.105 - 00:50:41.345
Diego: Yeah.

00:50:41.605 - 00:50:42.605
Joshua: I mean, yeah, that is...

00:50:43.265 - 00:50:45.345
Diego: I mean, come on.

00:50:45.365 - 00:50:47.745
Diego: That was like the height of his quirk right there.

00:50:49.365 - 00:50:50.685
Joshua: That's like peak All Might.

00:50:53.305 - 00:50:59.765
Joshua: Back in like All Might in that one video that Deku kept watching over and over when he was like five years old.

00:51:00.265 - 00:51:00.585
Diego: Yep.

00:51:01.405 - 00:51:01.785
Diego: Yeah.

00:51:01.885 - 00:51:08.685
Diego: But no, seriously, though, like in the Bible, there's several roles where water plays a really kind of like key thing.

00:51:08.865 - 00:51:09.965
Diego: One of them is that.

00:51:10.405 - 00:51:13.065
Diego: And then there's Joshua getting on his way to Jericho.

00:51:13.485 - 00:51:13.925
Diego: Yeah.

00:51:14.445 - 00:51:20.925
Diego: And he has to cross the Jordan River, and he also parts that one kind of also.

00:51:21.065 - 00:51:24.965
Diego: So it's interesting in our mythologies or religious writings and stuff like that.

00:51:25.645 - 00:51:28.185
Diego: Rivers, water, bodies of water play a role.

00:51:28.765 - 00:51:32.965
Diego: Like, for example, in Greek mythology, the river sticks.

00:51:34.625 - 00:51:34.845
Joshua: Mm-hmm.

00:51:35.445 - 00:51:36.325
Joshua: In Hades?

00:51:36.765 - 00:51:37.085
Diego: Yeah.

00:51:37.705 - 00:51:41.345
Diego: That it's in the underworld, it separates the living from the dead.

00:51:41.525 - 00:51:41.865
Joshua: Yeah.

00:51:42.225 - 00:51:49.065
Diego: In Hinduism, the River Ganges is believed to aid the soul's journey into the afterlife.

00:51:49.485 - 00:51:50.065
Diego: That sort of thing.

00:51:50.145 - 00:51:52.265
Diego: So there's always an association.

00:51:52.745 - 00:51:58.365
Diego: Water, bodies of water and stuff make it into you and our religious writings and mythology and stuff.

00:51:58.385 - 00:52:00.565
Diego: It's like, we can't separate water.

00:52:00.585 - 00:52:06.385
Diego: You know, it's such an important element for us that even in our theories of the afterlife, we include it in some way.

00:52:06.625 - 00:52:07.025
Joshua: Yeah.

00:52:07.025 - 00:52:19.905
Joshua: Something I was thinking about, which is kind of like Moses or Joshua parting me, parting water, is in Moana when she's a little jit and she goes into the beach.

00:52:20.565 - 00:52:24.585
Joshua: And then I know water itself is an entity there.

00:52:24.985 - 00:52:32.325
Joshua: It's like alive, but she like walks in and then it kind of just like opens up for her.

00:52:32.925 - 00:52:36.545
Joshua: And then it's like an aquarium, but there's no glass.

00:52:36.645 - 00:52:38.785
Joshua: It's literally just like she can see all the stuff.

00:52:39.285 - 00:52:41.365
Joshua: And then obviously that's where she gets to show whatever, whatever.

00:52:41.525 - 00:52:45.985
Joshua: But like the water itself is kind of like looming over.

00:52:46.005 - 00:52:48.685
Joshua: I always thought that was pretty interesting.

00:52:48.965 - 00:52:49.585
Diego: That's really cool.

00:52:49.585 - 00:52:59.065
Diego: It reminds me of the Prince of Egypt talking again about Moses, which shows the parting of the Red Sea in a way that I've never seen before.

00:52:59.085 - 00:53:05.145
Diego: Like you see them walking through, but then like you see the walls of water and there's like lightning that happens.

00:53:05.165 - 00:53:09.045
Diego: And whenever lightning happens, it lights up the inside of those walls of water.

00:53:09.545 - 00:53:12.485
Diego: So it's a very similar effect to what you're describing as an aquarium.

00:53:12.925 - 00:53:19.005
Diego: And you see at one point, like a whale just like swimming, you know, you see it for like a flash of a second and so cool.

00:53:19.185 - 00:53:32.825
Joshua: I always also liked I'm pretty sure it's in that movie where like in the like blood water and he's like walking through and it's only around him that the water is like clear blue normal water.

00:53:33.465 - 00:53:34.525
Joshua: I think it's in that movie.

00:53:34.805 - 00:53:35.365
Diego: That's cool.

00:53:35.685 - 00:53:37.645
Diego: Yeah, when the river is in blood.

00:53:37.845 - 00:53:42.585
Joshua: Yeah, and he's walking around and it's like just a tiny little spot around him.

00:53:42.605 - 00:53:44.965
Diego: Yeah, that movie is like legit good.

00:53:45.005 - 00:53:49.225
Diego: It's really, really good, like religious beliefs apart and everything.

00:53:49.825 - 00:53:51.545
Diego: It's a really good animated movie, man.

00:53:51.565 - 00:53:54.385
Diego: I think one of the best like non Disney movies that they've ever made.

00:53:54.385 - 00:54:04.925
Joshua: Yeah, I really like the I really like the part of like the lamb's blood on the doorframe.

00:54:08.685 - 00:54:20.225
Joshua: I really love how they represent death as just like this, I know I'm using this word again, but just like an entity that's just kind of graceful in a way.

00:54:20.465 - 00:54:20.965
Joshua: It's weird.

00:54:20.985 - 00:54:25.685
Diego: Yeah, it's interesting that when it goes and it takes the life of the firstborn, there's like a breath sound to it.

00:54:25.845 - 00:54:29.585
Diego: Yeah, it's like, it's so cool.

00:54:29.605 - 00:54:32.385
Diego: It's such a subtle way of like showing, taking a life.

00:54:33.105 - 00:54:39.785
Diego: You could you could be a lot more like the screams of the families when they wake up and realize that takes care of the horror part of it.

00:54:39.845 - 00:54:43.705
Diego: Yeah, but the way that they treat death is like, actually, yeah, it is very graceful.

00:54:43.725 - 00:54:44.625
Diego: It's really cool.

00:54:45.765 - 00:54:48.725
Diego: Anyway, speaking of water, I need to go drink some water.

00:54:48.845 - 00:54:52.505
Diego: So I think the good spot is any to end this episode.

00:54:52.525 - 00:54:57.865
Diego: And please make sure you tune in next week when we talk about another element.

00:54:57.885 - 00:55:02.325
Diego: Who knows, we might talk about fire and I'm going to bring a blowtorch for the cold open.

00:55:02.805 - 00:55:04.985
Diego: So you're going to want to tune in for it.

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Joshua: What?

00:55:06.145 - 00:55:07.685
Diego: Yeah, where are fireproof suits?

00:55:08.265 - 00:55:10.865
Joshua: I don't know how to get one of those.

00:55:11.745 - 00:55:12.145
Diego: Amazon.

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Diego: Thank you all for joining us for this first episode in our Four Elements series, covering the element of water.

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Diego: Please remember, if you are wanting to join the conversation, if maybe you have, I know there's a ton of manga, there's a ton of anime, there's a ton of things that include the element of water that we just haven't been privy to.

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Diego: So if you have any to contribute to the conversation, go ahead and hit us up.

00:55:42.933 - 00:55:46.253
Diego: Go and visit our website, geekology101.com.

00:55:46.273 - 00:55:50.053
Diego: There you can learn about, as you can see, our dope new photos also.

00:55:50.073 - 00:55:51.893
Diego: Now Joshua isn't looking like a little jit.

00:55:52.013 - 00:55:53.753
Joshua: Yeah, with the buzz cut.

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Diego: And then go all the way down to the bottom of the website.

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Diego: You're gonna see a contact form down there.

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Diego: You can message us that way.

00:56:00.613 - 00:56:07.653
Joshua: If you wanna hit us up with more traditional means, you can say hi to us at g101podcasts at gmail.com.

00:56:08.193 - 00:56:11.253
Diego: Thank you all for listening, and we will catch you in the next episode.

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Joshua: Fireproof Sue, he says.

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Diego: He says.