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Geekology 101
178: Fathers & Father Figures
We dusted off a previously un-aired episode, recorded about two years back, all about father and father figures. Also, Joshua sounds like a little git in this one, so enjoy!
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Joshua: Welcome to Geekology 101, my name is Joshua.
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Diego: And I'm Diego.
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Joshua: And we would like to wish a Happy Father's Day to all of the fathers out there.
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Diego: Yes, sir, we hope that you guys got a chance to celebrate with your loved ones and your offsprings, you know?
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Joshua: Yeah.
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Diego: It's a rainy Father's Day here where we're at, so you might hear the rain in the background, but it's a perfect mood to talk about what we're gonna talk about.
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Diego: So what we did here is that we put together a nice long list of all of the father and father-figure relationships that we could think of from the world of fiction.
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Joshua: And we have a lot, like a lot, a lot of that.
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Diego: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff.
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Joshua: Like 53 or something.
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Diego: For sure.
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Diego: And so we broke it down into sort of batches.
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Diego: We're gonna talk about fathers and father figures from the corner of movies.
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Diego: Then we're gonna talk about shows.
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Diego: We're gonna talk specifically about Marvel.
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Diego: Now, this can come from comics, shows, movies, whatever.
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Diego: And then the same thing applies for DC.
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Diego: Then we're gonna talk about anime, wrestling and games.
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Joshua: Yes.
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Diego: So let's go ahead and begin with the first category, which is movies.
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Diego: And from the world of movies, I think there is one father-son relationship that just immediately comes to mind when anybody tries to think of fathers and sons in fiction.
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Joshua: Yes.
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Joshua: And that is, of course, Anakin Skywalker and Luke Skywalker.
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Diego: Absolutely.
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Diego: Darth Vader and Luke.
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Diego: This is, I think, one of the first true plot twists that anybody could have experienced in cinema.
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Diego: And I wish I could have been there, man, like watching Empire Strikes Back.
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Diego: How old do you think I am, son?
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Diego: I'm not, like, ancient.
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Joshua: Oh, wait.
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Diego: This guy.
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Diego: I was born in 83, man.
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Joshua: Oh, yeah, that 80, that was...
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Joshua: This guy.
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Diego: Jesus.
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Diego: Anyway, but yeah, wouldn't that have been awesome?
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Joshua: Yeah.
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Diego: Like, without knowing anything about this, to, like, figure out for the first time, like, oh my God, he's his father.
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Joshua: No, I am your father.
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Diego: Yeah.
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Diego: So, yeah, Darth Vader and Luke.
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Diego: Of course, you know, I mean, this thing has spawned in such a crazy amount of story to tell.
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Diego: And it was later revealed, of course, that also Leia was his daughter.
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Diego: And that identity of, like, Anakin Skywalker and his children has, like, continued over and over to impact the world of Star Wars, you know, down to the very latest, which is the Kenobi show that is going on right now.
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Diego: Like, dad plays on that even more.
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Joshua: Yeah.
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Diego: You know?
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Diego: So, yeah, Darth Vader and Luke definitely one of the top relationships of father and children when it comes to movies.
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Diego: Also from the world of Star Wars, we got other really important ones.
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Diego: We've gotten glimpses of Bail Organa and how he parents Leia in this Kenobi show.
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Diego: Yeah, he seems to be, like, a pretty cool dad.
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Joshua: Yeah.
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Diego: I mean, he promised that she would be loved in Revenge of the Sith, when he says, well, take the girl.
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Diego: We've always wanted a baby girl.
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Diego: He promises, like, she'll be loved with us, and she really is loved.
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Diego: Like, that dude is a sweet dad.
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Diego: Then on the darker side of Star Wars parenting...
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Joshua: Han and Ben.
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Diego: Yeah, you got a pretty sad story there with Han Solo and Ben Solo.
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Diego: This is from the sequel trilogy, of course.
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Diego: Ben Solo, aka Kylo Ren, who ends up killing his father.
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Diego: Spoiler alert, I guess, if you haven't seen that yet.
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Joshua: I don't know why you would be listening to this podcast if you don't know how that whole story ends.
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Diego: Yeah, you should know.
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Diego: Alright, and then you've got...
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Diego: Honestly, this is kind of an honorable mention from the world of Star Wars.
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Diego: And one of the most overlooked ones, which is Uncle Owen and Luke.
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Joshua: Uncle Owen being his Luke's uncle.
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Diego: No, but seriously, this is really one that's overlooked, but this dude took care of Luke for his whole life.
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Diego: Yeah.
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Diego: And he kept him safe during that entire time, so you gotta give it up to Uncle Owen and Beru.
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Diego: He really stepped in as a father figure.
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Diego: Alright, also from the world of movies, now moving away from the whole Star Wars corner of things, we've got, from the world of Rocky, we got a couple of interesting father and father figure relationships here.
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Joshua: Yes, we do.
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Diego: It's more father figure relationships.
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Diego: So first, in the original Rocky movies, you have Mick.
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Joshua: Mick and Rocky.
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Diego: Yeah, and Mick really does step in and kind of become this father figure to Rocky.
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Diego: Older, much older than him, you know, he's kind of like very tough, old, father, grandfather-ish kind of relationship.
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Joshua: Hey, Rocky, get in the car.
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Joshua: That was, that was, no.
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Diego: Yeah, you bum, you're a bum, you're a bum.
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Joshua: Rocky, get in the car, man.
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Joshua: We got to go to your match.
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Diego: Are you sure he said that at some point?
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Joshua: I'm just saying stuff that I think that he might have said in his lifetime.
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Diego: You could just watch the movies.
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Diego: That's also like something you could do, you know?
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Diego: I'm just saying.
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Joshua: I watched it.
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Diego: Anyway, but yeah, Mick and Rocky, you know, they built kind of like a father figure and, you know, father figure, father child relationship.
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Diego: But definitely in the sequel-ish movies to Rocky, the Creed movies, we see him, we see Rocky become that Mick figure.
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Joshua: Yeah, to Adonis Creed.
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Diego: Heck yeah, man.
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Diego: And that is such a special thing, man.
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Diego: Like he really...
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Diego: I know that Adonis calls him uncle, like uncle, but he really does become a father figure to him, man.
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Joshua: Yeah.
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Diego: You know, and Adonis respects him and loves him, and yeah, it's complicated, just like a lot of father-son relationships, but whatever, you know, it is what it is, and Rocky's there for him unconditionally.
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Diego: So yeah, Rocky and Adonis, that's one of my favorite father figure relationships in fiction, for sure.
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Joshua: So the next one is actually from the world of Star Trek.
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Diego: Yeah.
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Joshua: We have Kirk Senior and Captain Kirk.
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Diego: Yeah.
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Diego: So this one in particular, I'm not, I can't say that I've watched like everything Star Trek because I haven't.
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Diego: But for sure, from the JJ.
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Diego: Abrams remakes, that is basically what kicks off the entire movie.
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Diego: And this is a really interesting one.
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Diego: This kind of begins a little bit of a category of father-son relationships that repeats itself throughout our list in some instances, where the father was not there with the son.
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Diego: Like the father doesn't actually raise that son.
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Diego: The son grows up without the father.
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Diego: But still, in some way, the legacy of the father impacts the son in a strong way.
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Diego: So in this one, like Kirk Sr., he ends up sacrificing his life to save his entire crew.
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Diego: And then that becomes kind of like a legacy to live up to for Captain Kirk.
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Diego: And he runs away from it for a very long time, and then eventually he accepts the call, you know, to like step up and be the kind of leader that his father was.
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Diego: And he does, you know?
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Diego: So that one was like really touching to me in particular.
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Diego: Now his next one is also cool.
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Diego: It's that same kind of thing.
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Joshua: It's the same kind of thing.
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Diego: Yeah, but it's especially cool because you just entered this world very recently.
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Joshua: I like, I really like the movie.
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Joshua: It's Top Gun Maverick, Goose and Rooster.
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Diego: Heck yeah.
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Joshua: I really like Goose.
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Joshua: I feel like he's a really cool character.
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Diego: Yeah.
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Diego: And so I have to admit, for some reason, I had never watched the original Top Gun movie until like a month ago.
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Diego: And I don't know why.
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Diego: It just seemed like one of those 80s movies that was, I thought that it was all just about, you know, like 80s kind of romance and the 80s type of, you know, sort of action.
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Joshua: You thought it was that kind of thing?
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Diego: Yeah.
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Diego: It just never struck me as something that I would get into.
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Diego: And then I decided, I'm like, you know what, this Top Gun Maverick thing, it looks good.
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Diego: The trailer looked good.
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Diego: So I was like, let me watch this movie in preparation for Top Gun Maverick, you know, so I can know what the heck this world is about.
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Diego: And then I go and I watch this movie and dude, it could, it was definitely an 80s movie, but man, the original, like it was good.
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Joshua: I like how they recreated the whole like volleyball scene, like the football.
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Diego: Oh, yeah.
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Diego: The most, but they gave it more meaning in the second one.
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Joshua: Yeah, they really did.
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Diego: And so I loved the movie so much.
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Diego: And then when I went to watch Top Gun Maverick, I was like, yeah, bro, this is, you know, what a freaking movie.
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Diego: Honestly, the best action movie, non-hero action movie that I've seen in years.
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Diego: And then you texted me and you were like, hey, you know, mom wants to take me to, like, go see this movie, and I'm not too excited about it.
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Diego: I don't think that's the kind of movie that I'll get into, but what happened?
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Joshua: I loved it.
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Diego: What did you like about it?
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Joshua: I just like the whole action.
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Joshua: I just like the feel of the movie.
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Joshua: I like the vibe of it.
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Diego: Yeah, so good, man.
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Diego: What a good movie.
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Diego: We'll talk about it more in detail in the next News and Reviews episode.
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Diego: But this whole Goose and Rooster thing is a very important part of this movie.
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Joshua: Yeah.
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Diego: And really, we got introduced to Rooster before he was known as Rooster as a little kid in the first movie.
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Diego: Yeah, we get to see him as a little kid in the first movie, but you never think that 30 years later...
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Joshua: Wait, who is Goose and who is Rooster?
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Diego: What do you mean?
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Diego: Goose was the partner of...
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Joshua: Goose was the one in the first movie?
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Diego: Yeah.
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Diego: And he's the one that died.
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Joshua: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Diego: Yeah.
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Joshua: So I met Rooster before when I said I really liked Goose, I met Rooster.
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Diego: Oh, okay, gotcha.
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Diego: But yeah, man, and so like this just plays out so well.
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Diego: Also, Miles Teller, who plays Rooster, dude, he has like a spitting image of the guy who played Root and White Goose.
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Diego: What a great casting right there.
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Joshua: He wore the exact same thing, like down to the sunglasses.
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Diego: Yeah, and the mustache.
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Joshua: Yeah.
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Diego: Yeah, very cool, man.
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Diego: So yeah, that's a very interesting father-son relationship.
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Diego: Again, like Captain Kirk Sr.
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Diego: and Captain Kirk Jr., they didn't grow up together.
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Diego: You know what I mean?
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Diego: They didn't spend most of their life together, and yet somehow the legacy of the father impacts the child.
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Diego: And it's the same with Goose.
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Diego: Goose's legacy just follows Rooster.
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Diego: And in moments where Maverick tells him your father would be so proud, it's like, oh, come on.
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Diego: Tears to the eyes.
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Diego: Anyway, let's move away from movies, and let's hop over to shows.
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Joshua: Shows.
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Joshua: There's a lot of shows.
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Diego: There is a lot of shows.
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Diego: So when it comes to shows, we have also from various corners, some are cartoon shows, some are live-action shows.
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Joshua: Some are really dark and disturbing and bloody Amazon Prime Superhero shows.
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Diego: Just horrible.
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Diego: The first one, though, is great.
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Diego: The first one is Mando and Little Baby Grogu.
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Joshua: Little Baby Grogu.
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Diego: Little Baby Grogu.
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Joshua: Little Baby.
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Diego: I mean, come on, man.
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Diego: This one stole our hearts throughout the pandemic.
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Joshua: The soup?
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Diego: Yeah, just sip it as soup.
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Joshua: The soup.
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Diego: I would say that he held us down throughout the pandemic.
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Diego: He made it possible for us to get through this.
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Diego: I love Baby Grogu.
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Diego: Anyway, and of course, the Mando story, right?
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Diego: Like where Mando starts off as like this tough, Yeah, him too.
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Diego: very silent bounty hunter.
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Diego: And then he just softens up.
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Joshua: Yeah.
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Diego: Now he's a big softy, showing his face to droids and stuff.
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Diego: Come on, and to Grogu.
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Diego: So sweet, man.
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Diego: So yeah, Mando and Grogu, awesome father figure.
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Diego: Like he's basically becomes kind of like an adoptive dad.
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Joshua: Yeah.
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Diego: To Grogu, even though Grogu is probably like older than him.
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Joshua: He is older.
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Joshua: He is.
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Joshua: I'm pretty sure I looked it up.
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Joshua: I'm pretty sure Mando is like 40 years old.
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Joshua: Yeah.
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Joshua: And then Grogu is like 10 years older.
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Diego: So great.
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Diego: Anyway, all right, let's go to something darker.
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Joshua: Next up, we have the most disturbing Amazon Prime show that I've ever heard of.
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Diego: Oh, trust me, you've not seen anything if you haven't seen The Boys.
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Diego: Omni Man and Mark, aka Invincible, from The Invincible Show.
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Joshua: Yeah.
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Diego: So Invincible, oh man, this comes from the mind of, what's one boy's name who created The Walking Dead?
00:13:49.546 --> 00:13:52.046
Joshua: Steven Spielberg?
00:13:52.126 --> 00:13:54.086
Diego: Yeah, definitely not Steven Spielberg.
00:13:55.106 --> 00:14:06.586
Diego: But from him, and he created this as a comic first, and then he got adapted as a show, and the whole story really revolves around the father and son relationship, is this omniman character, who is basically Superman.
00:14:07.486 --> 00:14:12.606
Diego: And it's one of these examples of, what if Superman is not a good guy?
00:14:13.446 --> 00:14:17.186
Diego: What if he were a bad guy, wrapped around the good guy persona?
00:14:17.366 --> 00:14:18.786
Joshua: Yeah, this actually has to do with it.
00:14:18.806 --> 00:14:37.206
Joshua: I saw this ASMR of Invincible, of the show, and when they were mixing up the powder for the wheat of the loaf, they turned it into gunshots in Invincible.
00:14:38.126 --> 00:14:46.506
Joshua: And then when they were mixing it together, that was Omni Man beating the crap out of his son.
00:14:46.546 --> 00:14:47.206
Diego: Oh wow.
00:14:49.386 --> 00:14:50.326
Diego: That's dark.
00:14:50.906 --> 00:14:53.706
Joshua: So let's just say they don't have a good relationship.
00:14:54.146 --> 00:14:55.046
Diego: Yeah, no, no, no.
00:14:55.106 --> 00:15:00.206
Diego: Well, at first it seems like they do when the show begins, and then little by little Omni Man shows his true colors.
00:15:00.806 --> 00:15:03.766
Diego: And man, do things turn dark.
00:15:06.106 --> 00:15:24.526
Diego: But still, this guy goes from being the son of the most revered hero in the world, basically, and feeling like he has that legacy to carry on, to now trying to be like, how the heck do I make sure I don't turn out like my father?
00:15:24.826 --> 00:15:25.166
Joshua: Yeah.
00:15:25.826 --> 00:15:26.906
Diego: Crazy, crazy show.
00:15:26.926 --> 00:15:27.506
Diego: Very good show.
00:15:28.046 --> 00:15:30.806
Diego: And definitely a crazy father-son relationship.
00:15:31.746 --> 00:15:32.506
Diego: The next one.
00:15:32.526 --> 00:15:35.106
Diego: Hopper and the 11th.
00:15:35.306 --> 00:15:36.286
Diego: Heck yeah, man.
00:15:36.986 --> 00:15:41.906
Diego: And this is the father figure and child reunion that's like in the making, right?
00:15:41.926 --> 00:15:42.146
Joshua: Yeah.
00:15:42.406 --> 00:15:44.006
Diego: We're waiting for this to happen.
00:15:44.166 --> 00:15:49.406
Joshua: It's going to happen in Volume 2 of Stranger Things Season 4.
00:15:49.546 --> 00:15:55.606
Diego: Yeah, and they've really, they've kept these two characters apart, literally like continents apart.
00:15:56.466 --> 00:15:58.666
Diego: So it's going to be pretty special when they do reunite.
00:15:58.686 --> 00:16:00.066
Diego: Plus, you've got 11.
00:16:00.086 --> 00:16:05.726
Diego: If you haven't listened to our review of Stranger Things Season 4, Volume 1, go listen to it.
00:16:05.946 --> 00:16:06.986
Diego: All of our thoughts are there.
00:16:07.006 --> 00:16:13.426
Diego: But one of the things that we talked about is that 11 is like really, really detached right now from where Hopper is.
00:16:13.626 --> 00:16:16.826
Diego: Hopper is like, you know, just straight up trying to survive in Russia.
00:16:17.346 --> 00:16:24.746
Diego: And 11, in the meantime, she's going through her whole thing with Papa, you know, that dude who was in that program that gave her her abilities.
00:16:25.526 --> 00:16:40.266
Diego: And it's kind of like she's getting this horrible father figure experience, having to relive all this stuff with this Papa guy, that it makes me think that when they reunite, it's going to be that much more special for her.
00:16:40.386 --> 00:16:40.806
Joshua: Yeah.
00:16:40.826 --> 00:16:41.046
Diego: You know?
00:16:42.406 --> 00:16:44.706
Diego: But anyway, yeah, Hopper and 11.
00:16:45.066 --> 00:16:45.586
Diego: Next one.
00:16:46.226 --> 00:16:51.466
Joshua: The next relationship is a really classic and really dope one.
00:16:51.986 --> 00:16:55.506
Joshua: It is Splinter and TMNT.
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Diego: Heck yeah, man.
00:16:57.106 --> 00:17:11.166
Diego: This one's pretty interesting because I don't think when you brought this one up as we were making the list, it kind of dawned on me that I don't think that there's any other show that's not like, you know, comedy like The Simpsons or something.
00:17:11.786 --> 00:17:24.646
Diego: There's no other show that has this relationship of like, father or father figure and child, and it continues throughout the entire thing, like it never stops being important.
00:17:25.126 --> 00:17:25.826
Diego: You know what I mean?
00:17:26.626 --> 00:17:35.026
Diego: And that relationship is constantly being woven into storylines and stuff, and it just becomes, it's an ongoing part of it, you know?
00:17:36.346 --> 00:17:39.566
Diego: I can't think of anything else like that, to be honest.
00:17:40.786 --> 00:17:46.766
Diego: Maybe with the exception of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball has the father-son thing coming back once in a while.
00:17:47.626 --> 00:17:50.666
Diego: But yeah, Splinter and the Turtles, man, so awesome.
00:17:50.686 --> 00:17:56.206
Diego: And it's awesome also because he is their sensei, but he's also their father, and they call him father, you know?
00:17:56.906 --> 00:17:57.806
Diego: Any other thoughts on that?
00:18:00.166 --> 00:18:01.446
Joshua: Mikey is underrated.
00:18:02.426 --> 00:18:04.146
Joshua: Leonardo is my second favorite.
00:18:05.526 --> 00:18:06.926
Joshua: Raph is my third favorite.
00:18:07.406 --> 00:18:08.586
Joshua: I don't really like Donny.
00:18:08.926 --> 00:18:12.626
Joshua: I mean, like, I love all of them, but like Donny is the worst of the best.
00:18:13.086 --> 00:18:14.146
Diego: Wow.
00:18:14.306 --> 00:18:15.306
Joshua: He's the worst of the best.
00:18:16.166 --> 00:18:16.666
Diego: Wow.
00:18:17.166 --> 00:18:18.126
Diego: That's crazy.
00:18:18.186 --> 00:18:26.666
Diego: Okay, let's move on to the next one, which is from the world of Masters of the Universe, Revelation.
00:18:26.846 --> 00:18:27.466
Joshua: Man of War.
00:18:27.486 --> 00:18:29.546
Diego: And really Masters of the Universe overall, I guess.
00:18:29.626 --> 00:18:29.966
Joshua: Yeah.
00:18:30.346 --> 00:18:31.046
Diego: Man of War.
00:18:31.626 --> 00:18:33.026
Joshua: We still don't know his real name yet.
00:18:33.046 --> 00:18:33.946
Joshua: We haven't remembered.
00:18:33.966 --> 00:18:34.546
Diego: Antila.
00:18:34.646 --> 00:18:34.966
Joshua: Yeah.
00:18:35.886 --> 00:18:36.346
Diego: That's true.
00:18:36.406 --> 00:18:36.726
Diego: No.
00:18:36.926 --> 00:18:37.326
Diego: Dugan?
00:18:37.346 --> 00:18:37.746
Diego: Duncan?
00:18:37.746 --> 00:18:38.146
Diego: Duncan.
00:18:38.206 --> 00:18:38.706
Joshua: Duncan.
00:18:38.726 --> 00:18:39.966
Diego: Yeah.
00:18:40.126 --> 00:18:41.046
Diego: Man of War and Antila.
00:18:41.066 --> 00:18:47.166
Diego: This one's interesting, of course, because it is kind of another example of a distant relationship.
00:18:47.406 --> 00:18:47.826
Joshua: Yeah.
00:18:48.466 --> 00:18:49.666
Joshua: But it's still important.
00:18:49.806 --> 00:18:50.186
Diego: It is.
00:18:50.206 --> 00:18:50.506
Diego: Yeah.
00:18:50.526 --> 00:18:50.806
Diego: Yeah.
00:18:50.826 --> 00:18:52.026
Diego: And it becomes important.
00:18:52.486 --> 00:18:56.326
Diego: Also, like, you can see the genetics at play here.
00:18:57.086 --> 00:19:04.906
Diego: Whereas, like, here's Man of War, who especially in Masters of the Universe, Revelations, you see him as a badass.
00:19:05.426 --> 00:19:05.826
Joshua: Yeah.
00:19:06.766 --> 00:19:07.746
Diego: Like, what do they call him?
00:19:07.766 --> 00:19:09.526
Diego: The most dangerous man in Eternia?
00:19:09.766 --> 00:19:11.586
Joshua: Yeah, that one episode.
00:19:11.766 --> 00:19:14.526
Diego: And, man, they show him, like, just kicking butt, bro.
00:19:14.546 --> 00:19:16.086
Diego: He's so cool in that show.
00:19:16.686 --> 00:19:22.006
Diego: And you see how Tila, like, just, you know, inherits that.
00:19:22.306 --> 00:19:22.726
Joshua: Yeah.
00:19:23.146 --> 00:19:30.506
Diego: Especially in that show, because here she, like, lets go of, like, the prettiness and becomes, you know, just kind of like a tough, you know, person.
00:19:30.526 --> 00:19:30.866
Joshua: Yeah.
00:19:31.086 --> 00:19:31.546
Diego: Very cool.
00:19:32.586 --> 00:19:33.786
Diego: So yeah, I like it.
00:19:33.806 --> 00:19:39.366
Diego: Again, there's problems, there's issues that they got to fix, but I think it's a worthy one.
00:19:39.406 --> 00:19:40.446
Joshua: Good job, Kevin Smith.
00:19:40.726 --> 00:19:41.626
Diego: Yeah, Kevin Smith.
00:19:41.806 --> 00:19:42.826
Diego: They're working on season two.
00:19:43.006 --> 00:19:43.486
Joshua: They are?
00:19:43.526 --> 00:19:43.866
Diego: They are.
00:19:45.666 --> 00:19:48.066
Diego: Next one, we mentioned, The Simpsons.
00:19:49.146 --> 00:19:52.986
Diego: Can't make a father and children list without including...
00:19:53.526 --> 00:20:00.246
Joshua: The, the, the actually, like, abusive relationship that is Homer Simpson and his children.
00:20:00.966 --> 00:20:01.366
Diego: Yeah.
00:20:01.466 --> 00:20:03.926
Diego: Well, he doesn't abuse Lisa and Maggie.
00:20:04.466 --> 00:20:06.166
Diego: It's just Bart, but he had it coming.
00:20:07.546 --> 00:20:08.486
Diego: Many times over.
00:20:09.346 --> 00:20:10.106
Joshua: Well, yeah.
00:20:10.346 --> 00:20:11.126
Diego: Listen, man.
00:20:11.766 --> 00:20:13.966
Joshua: He destroyed his whole town with, like, 15 megatons.
00:20:13.986 --> 00:20:17.966
Diego: If you behaved like Bart, I'd have to, like, choke you like that too, weird.
00:20:18.546 --> 00:20:20.286
Diego: Your tongue is, like, wiggling out of your mouth.
00:20:23.246 --> 00:20:25.586
Diego: Anyway, yeah, Homer Simpson, you, you, you, come on, man.
00:20:25.966 --> 00:20:27.786
Diego: This guy wrecks, wrecks an entire...
00:20:27.806 --> 00:20:29.086
Joshua: I don't think you can make that joke.
00:20:29.346 --> 00:20:31.086
Joshua: It's 2022.
00:20:31.686 --> 00:20:32.146
Diego: I can't?
00:20:32.146 --> 00:20:32.286
Diego: No?
00:20:32.466 --> 00:20:34.026
Joshua: I don't think you can make that joke.
00:20:34.026 --> 00:20:37.246
Diego: Hey, listen, if The Simpsons is still going, and they can make that joke, I can make that joke.
00:20:37.266 --> 00:20:41.906
Diego: So, speaking of terrible, horrible jokes and really bad fathers, Peter Griffin...
00:20:42.046 --> 00:20:42.546
Joshua: Yeah.
00:20:42.566 --> 00:20:44.366
Diego: Gotta mention him.
00:20:44.426 --> 00:20:45.686
Diego: Peter Griffin from...
00:20:47.246 --> 00:20:47.746
Joshua: Family Guy.
00:20:47.886 --> 00:20:48.726
Diego: Family Guy, thank you.
00:20:49.466 --> 00:20:50.186
Joshua: I like Brian.
00:20:50.206 --> 00:20:50.926
Joshua: I like the dog.
00:20:51.286 --> 00:20:51.926
Diego: He's, like...
00:20:53.566 --> 00:20:54.066
Diego: I don't know.
00:20:54.486 --> 00:20:54.906
Diego: He's, like...
00:20:55.066 --> 00:20:57.946
Diego: I was gonna say the Maggie one, but he's probably more like Lisa?
00:20:59.046 --> 00:20:59.546
Joshua: Who is?
00:20:59.566 --> 00:21:00.006
Diego: Brian.
00:21:00.886 --> 00:21:01.446
Joshua: Brian?
00:21:01.886 --> 00:21:05.286
Diego: He's, like, the more reasonable one in that entire family, pretty much.
00:21:05.306 --> 00:21:06.446
Joshua: Yeah, I like Brian.
00:21:06.466 --> 00:21:07.326
Diego: Yeah, Brian's great.
00:21:08.686 --> 00:21:12.966
Diego: Next, also from animation, so we got two different relationships here, from Rick and Morty.
00:21:13.706 --> 00:21:14.806
Diego: You got Rick and Morty.
00:21:14.826 --> 00:21:21.786
Diego: And, like, undoubtedly, like, Rick's dad, you know, might as well not be his dad.
00:21:21.906 --> 00:21:23.186
Diego: Because Rick just...
00:21:23.786 --> 00:21:24.666
Diego: I'm sorry, Morty's dad.
00:21:24.746 --> 00:21:30.486
Diego: Because Rick just completely takes over as a parental figure for Morty, and not in a great way.
00:21:30.666 --> 00:21:33.906
Joshua: Morty, we got to go kill ourselves in another dimension, Morty.
00:21:34.166 --> 00:21:34.886
Joshua: Come on, Morty.
00:21:34.926 --> 00:21:38.826
Diego: Yeah, those kinds of wholesome, you know, grandfather and grandson.
00:21:38.846 --> 00:21:40.606
Joshua: That show's great for kids, by the way.
00:21:40.666 --> 00:21:41.566
Joshua: Just amazing.
00:21:41.586 --> 00:21:42.746
Diego: Raise your kids based on that.
00:21:42.766 --> 00:21:43.326
Diego: It's really great.
00:21:44.426 --> 00:21:47.826
Diego: Rick and Beth, his actual daughter, his daughter...
00:21:47.846 --> 00:21:52.126
Joshua: The one who was like, oh, my God, what did you do, Rick?
00:21:52.146 --> 00:21:54.066
Joshua: You turned yourself into a pickle?
00:21:54.146 --> 00:21:54.926
Diego: Not just that.
00:21:54.946 --> 00:22:01.086
Diego: He cloned her when she was little or something, and then he forgot which one was a clone and which one was a real one.
00:22:01.106 --> 00:22:13.746
Diego: And then he exiled one of them to outer space, and she became some incredible space pirate, and then she eventually came back, and her and her clone, or whoever's the clone in the original, they ganged up under that.
00:22:14.446 --> 00:22:19.046
Diego: It's a really complicated family relationship, and it's all thanks to the patriarch, Rick.
00:22:19.566 --> 00:22:21.246
Joshua: Yeah, let's go.
00:22:21.266 --> 00:22:22.366
Diego: I hope to be like him one day.
00:22:22.386 --> 00:22:23.826
Joshua: To infinity and beyond.
00:22:24.026 --> 00:22:26.206
Diego: Oh, right, that's weird.
00:22:26.206 --> 00:22:29.206
Diego: Next, from the world of Arkane.
00:22:29.686 --> 00:22:34.246
Diego: Talking about shows, man, this is one of the most recent ones that just stole our hearts and imaginations.
00:22:34.266 --> 00:22:35.906
Joshua: Yeah, well, I mean, I watched it.
00:22:36.266 --> 00:22:38.926
Joshua: I watched it earlier when it came out, and you just watched it like...
00:22:38.946 --> 00:22:40.106
Diego: Are you gonna only boast about that forever?
00:22:40.126 --> 00:22:41.486
Joshua: Like seven months after.
00:22:41.506 --> 00:22:42.626
Diego: You're gonna boast about it forever?
00:22:42.646 --> 00:22:43.346
Diego: I said I'm sorry.
00:22:43.366 --> 00:22:45.466
Diego: I told you, I said you were right.
00:22:45.486 --> 00:22:46.166
Diego: I admitted it.
00:22:47.066 --> 00:22:48.606
Diego: Anyway, Vander and Vi.
00:22:50.466 --> 00:22:52.886
Diego: So Vander and Vi, great relationship, you know.
00:22:53.426 --> 00:22:55.406
Diego: Dude hangs up his gloves.
00:22:55.926 --> 00:22:56.366
Joshua: Yeah.
00:22:56.726 --> 00:23:03.246
Diego: And he lets go of the fighting life to become basically this protector and father figure.
00:23:03.346 --> 00:23:03.746
Joshua: Yeah.
00:23:04.326 --> 00:23:12.086
Diego: Not like a very wholesome father figure because ultimately they are like stealing and stuff, and he trains them to be like this crew of misfits.
00:23:13.026 --> 00:23:20.566
Diego: But still, he clearly has a very special relationship with Vi, and he is there for her, like at a father level.
00:23:20.586 --> 00:23:28.006
Diego: He's very protective of her, wants her to learn to kind of, you know, survive.
00:23:28.206 --> 00:23:28.586
Joshua: Yeah.
00:23:28.606 --> 00:23:31.526
Diego: In the crazy world that is the, I was about to say the upside down.
00:23:33.686 --> 00:23:35.206
Diego: Anyway, go ahead, next one.
00:23:35.986 --> 00:23:39.246
Joshua: The next relationship is Silco and Jinx.
00:23:39.266 --> 00:23:41.166
Diego: What you got to say about this?
00:23:41.986 --> 00:23:43.626
Joshua: It's a very interesting relationship.
00:23:43.786 --> 00:23:44.186
Diego: It is.
00:23:44.306 --> 00:23:51.126
Joshua: I feel like it's the kind of, like it is, you said this to me before, it's kind of like the opposite of Vander and Vi.
00:23:51.806 --> 00:23:56.046
Joshua: Like the other one, he's like teaching her to survive and like how to fend for herself.
00:23:56.566 --> 00:24:07.626
Joshua: But in this relationship, Silco is kind of giving Jinx more ways, kind of like more strategies and how to cause more chaos.
00:24:11.586 --> 00:24:14.586
Joshua: He's like kind of making her do his stuff.
00:24:14.826 --> 00:24:16.126
Diego: Yeah, his bidding, right.
00:24:17.146 --> 00:24:32.286
Diego: But it's interesting though, because when I was watching the show, I thought like, oh man, in that scene when Vander is dying supposedly, and Silco kind of looks at Vander and then looks at Powder, and he realizes like, it's up to me now.
00:24:32.326 --> 00:24:37.046
Diego: That's clearly when in his mind and in his heart, he takes on the challenge of like taking her in.
00:24:37.646 --> 00:24:42.586
Diego: And I thought to myself, it was like, oh man, so now he's going to go and turn her into a weapon, which he did.
00:24:44.086 --> 00:24:47.186
Diego: But there is heart to it.
00:24:48.126 --> 00:24:49.266
Diego: There's feeling to it.
00:24:49.286 --> 00:24:55.966
Diego: And you could tell especially in the last third of that series, of the season one, you can tell that there is love there.
00:24:56.226 --> 00:25:03.226
Diego: Within that whole dark world that he operates in, having turned her into a weapon, there's a sense of love and like he cares for her.
00:25:03.326 --> 00:25:06.686
Joshua: Yeah, I saw this thing, which is related.
00:25:06.966 --> 00:25:20.046
Joshua: It was like, it was like Jinx was saying, if I had a penny for every time that I've accidentally killed my adoptive father, I would have two pennies.
00:25:20.886 --> 00:25:23.326
Joshua: Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
00:25:23.706 --> 00:25:25.326
Diego: Yeah, that's a good point.
00:25:25.346 --> 00:25:27.066
Diego: Oh, that's dark.
00:25:29.086 --> 00:25:29.686
Diego: Very dark.
00:25:29.706 --> 00:25:32.466
Diego: All right, last stop before we take a break.
00:25:32.866 --> 00:25:37.966
Diego: Let's talk about some DC parenting father figures or fathers.
00:25:38.346 --> 00:25:38.646
Joshua: Yeah.
00:25:39.406 --> 00:25:42.246
Diego: The first one comes from the corner of the Bat family.
00:25:42.406 --> 00:25:42.786
Joshua: Yes.
00:25:44.126 --> 00:25:56.326
Diego: And honorable mentions, you could say that there is, granted, I haven't really like read a lot of the comics from where Batman has Tim Drake as his Robin.
00:25:56.866 --> 00:25:57.686
Joshua: I feel bad for Tim Drake.
00:25:57.706 --> 00:26:06.066
Diego: I'm not exactly sure what his thing is, because I really started, when I picked up the DC world, he was already like the leader of the Teen Titans.
00:26:06.546 --> 00:26:07.146
Joshua: Tim Drake?
00:26:07.366 --> 00:26:09.846
Diego: Yeah, he was kind of like the de facto leader of the Teen Titans.
00:26:10.846 --> 00:26:11.266
Diego: Yeah.
00:26:11.686 --> 00:26:18.146
Diego: So he was like already over there, and he was using his riches, like he's also like a millionaire kid.
00:26:18.346 --> 00:26:18.666
Joshua: Yeah.
00:26:18.746 --> 00:26:19.466
Diego: Kind of like Bruce.
00:26:19.566 --> 00:26:20.666
Joshua: He has a family.
00:26:21.266 --> 00:26:21.946
Diego: He does, yeah.
00:26:22.686 --> 00:26:29.526
Diego: So I don't know exactly like how fatherly the relationship was there, and then there's also, of course, Red Hood.
00:26:29.886 --> 00:26:30.666
Joshua: Yeah, which...
00:26:31.306 --> 00:26:33.546
Diego: And that one's complicated.
00:26:33.566 --> 00:26:36.466
Diego: I don't think things got too fatherly there either.
00:26:36.466 --> 00:26:40.666
Diego: But the two that we listed, though, they are in a different way.
00:26:40.686 --> 00:26:42.566
Diego: So first is Batman and Damien Wayne.
00:26:42.646 --> 00:26:51.566
Joshua: Which Batman, not the same as Bruce Wayne in this scenario, Batman and Damien relate more in the whole vigilante side of things.
00:26:51.586 --> 00:26:51.926
Diego: Yeah.
00:26:52.166 --> 00:26:56.646
Joshua: And like the whole like superheroing thing, the more like trained assassin type thing.
00:26:57.226 --> 00:27:00.886
Joshua: And then the other one that we have is Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson.
00:27:01.226 --> 00:27:01.586
Diego: Yeah.
00:27:01.666 --> 00:27:06.006
Joshua: And they relate more as like the whole father and son, like actually family.
00:27:06.526 --> 00:27:07.166
Joshua: Type thing.
00:27:07.266 --> 00:27:08.746
Diego: It's really interesting.
00:27:08.766 --> 00:27:18.686
Diego: Those two relationships are like super interesting to me because it really is like the two sides of Bruce Wayne.
00:27:18.966 --> 00:27:19.506
Joshua: Yeah.
00:27:19.786 --> 00:27:22.286
Diego: I play here, you know, the two sides of Bruce Wayne Batman.
00:27:23.126 --> 00:27:32.386
Diego: There's actually a storyline in the comics right now where it's basically the heirs of both Batman and Superman, but it's not Damien.
00:27:32.926 --> 00:27:35.206
Diego: It's actually Dick Grayson and Jonathan Kent.
00:27:35.386 --> 00:27:35.806
Joshua: Really?
00:27:35.806 --> 00:27:38.726
Diego: John Kent, yeah, who are like representing each one of them.
00:27:38.826 --> 00:27:47.266
Diego: And I thought that that was an interesting choice, but I like the fact that they're honoring Dick Grayson because the truth is, man, like he's been there.
00:27:47.466 --> 00:27:47.886
Joshua: Yeah.
00:27:47.966 --> 00:27:53.766
Diego: This dude had plenty of times to go all Red Hood and like turn against Batman, and he never did.
00:27:53.786 --> 00:27:59.086
Diego: You know, he grew, he matured, he evolved, he took on the Nightwing persona.
00:27:59.126 --> 00:28:02.326
Joshua: He got a Whack costume at one point.
00:28:02.586 --> 00:28:03.426
Diego: Whack costume?
00:28:03.766 --> 00:28:04.106
Joshua: Yeah.
00:28:04.666 --> 00:28:05.866
Diego: Oh, the first Nightwing?
00:28:05.886 --> 00:28:06.146
Joshua: Yeah.
00:28:06.166 --> 00:28:06.986
Diego: Oh yeah, that was weird.
00:28:07.106 --> 00:28:09.186
Joshua: The 70s disco costume.
00:28:09.246 --> 00:28:09.906
Diego: Very weird.
00:28:10.786 --> 00:28:18.026
Diego: But he stuck around, and not only has he been there to back up Batman, but he's actually been there to be like the second in command of the Bat Family.
00:28:18.046 --> 00:28:18.426
Joshua: Yeah.
00:28:18.786 --> 00:28:28.386
Diego: And he himself had a lot of involvement when Damian came on board during the New 52 comics.
00:28:28.546 --> 00:28:29.686
Joshua: Yeah.
00:28:29.986 --> 00:28:31.706
Diego: He had a lot of clashes.
00:28:31.726 --> 00:28:34.806
Diego: Like Damian was straight up testing Dick.
00:28:35.826 --> 00:28:38.406
Diego: He was like trying to kill him.
00:28:38.806 --> 00:28:41.286
Joshua: He did kill him in the Injustice Universe.
00:28:41.666 --> 00:28:42.046
Diego: Did he?
00:28:42.066 --> 00:28:44.166
Diego: Oh yeah, and he took on the Nightwing persona.
00:28:44.186 --> 00:28:47.046
Joshua: Yeah, he literally killed him in the Injustice Universe.
00:28:47.086 --> 00:28:48.866
Diego: That makes so much sense, though.
00:28:48.966 --> 00:28:49.766
Diego: That's really cool.
00:28:50.166 --> 00:29:02.706
Diego: So yeah, it really is like Dick relates more with the humanity that Batman has, that Bruce Wayne has, and Damian just relates to this dark, trained vigilante persona.
00:29:02.826 --> 00:29:04.906
Diego: Yeah, so really cool.
00:29:04.926 --> 00:29:11.206
Diego: There's this whole duality with these two guys, and them being kind of like heirs to different sides of Batman.
00:29:11.226 --> 00:29:12.906
Diego: It's really cool.
00:29:12.926 --> 00:29:16.526
Diego: Also from the DC world, you've got Jor-El and Kal-El.
00:29:16.926 --> 00:29:17.386
Joshua: Yes.
00:29:17.806 --> 00:29:20.326
Diego: We just watched Man of Steel.
00:29:20.366 --> 00:29:20.926
Joshua: We did.
00:29:21.066 --> 00:29:22.326
Diego: Which we hadn't seen.
00:29:22.326 --> 00:29:23.926
Diego: You hadn't seen it.
00:29:23.946 --> 00:29:25.366
Joshua: I'd never seen it until then.
00:29:25.386 --> 00:29:28.466
Diego: I couldn't believe it that you hadn't seen it, man.
00:29:29.126 --> 00:29:30.006
Diego: What did you think of it?
00:29:30.326 --> 00:29:30.926
Joshua: I liked it.
00:29:31.106 --> 00:29:31.486
Diego: Right?
00:29:31.586 --> 00:29:31.966
Joshua: Yeah.
00:29:32.046 --> 00:29:33.286
Diego: It's a great movie, man.
00:29:33.406 --> 00:29:35.606
Diego: It's a solid, solid Superman movie.
00:29:35.626 --> 00:29:37.126
Joshua: One of the best in the DCEU.
00:29:37.306 --> 00:29:38.926
Diego: Yes, I completely agree with that.
00:29:40.046 --> 00:29:47.786
Diego: And one of the things that I love is that they spent quite a bit of time showing us Krypton, showing us Jor-El, you know?
00:29:48.926 --> 00:29:50.026
Diego: And it's really cool.
00:29:50.406 --> 00:29:54.386
Diego: This is another one of those scenarios where the father and son are not there.
00:29:54.466 --> 00:29:55.986
Diego: He didn't raise Kal-El.
00:29:56.006 --> 00:29:57.066
Diego: He didn't raise Superman.
00:29:58.226 --> 00:30:00.826
Diego: But there's a legacy, you know?
00:30:00.906 --> 00:30:10.446
Diego: And especially in that movie, they make, you know, Saxxider takes it an extra step with Jor-El uploading his consciousness to the computer of the ship and all that.
00:30:10.906 --> 00:30:17.186
Diego: So he's able to have these conversations with him, and he does kind of mentor him through that uploaded consciousness.
00:30:18.586 --> 00:30:19.046
Diego: So yeah.
00:30:19.286 --> 00:30:21.026
Joshua: I thought that it was Johnny Depp.
00:30:21.486 --> 00:30:22.186
Diego: This guy.
00:30:22.566 --> 00:30:23.546
Diego: Seriously, man?
00:30:24.786 --> 00:30:28.666
Diego: You and your generation have gone way too crazy with this Johnny Depp trial.
00:30:28.786 --> 00:30:31.146
Diego: Just seeing Johnny Depp in your dreams now.
00:30:31.166 --> 00:30:32.366
Joshua: My dog stepped on a bee.
00:30:34.466 --> 00:30:34.946
Diego: Anyway.
00:30:34.966 --> 00:30:37.966
Diego: But yeah, last thing I'll say about this one.
00:30:39.906 --> 00:30:43.726
Diego: Clark Kent, Superman Kal-El, he is a son of two worlds.
00:30:44.026 --> 00:30:44.366
Joshua: Yeah.
00:30:44.366 --> 00:30:44.766
Diego: You know?
00:30:45.466 --> 00:30:47.606
Diego: And it's undeniable.
00:30:47.626 --> 00:30:55.026
Diego: And I think an honorable mention would be Jonathan Kent, his dad, like Clark's dad.
00:30:55.306 --> 00:30:55.526
Joshua: Yeah.
00:30:55.546 --> 00:30:56.866
Diego: The guy who adopted him on Earth.
00:30:57.206 --> 00:30:59.026
Diego: You know, he is...
00:31:00.726 --> 00:31:02.666
Diego: He was his father for all intents and purposes.
00:31:03.466 --> 00:31:04.446
Joshua: Jonathan Kent?
00:31:04.646 --> 00:31:04.986
Diego: Yeah.
00:31:07.086 --> 00:31:07.746
Diego: Jonathan Kent.
00:31:10.946 --> 00:31:13.026
Joshua: Jonathan Kent is Superman's son.
00:31:13.706 --> 00:31:16.326
Diego: Well, yeah, he named them after his father, his Earth father.
00:31:17.146 --> 00:31:17.626
Diego: Yeah.
00:31:19.446 --> 00:31:20.946
Diego: But then there is that one as well.
00:31:20.966 --> 00:31:21.466
Joshua: Yeah.
00:31:21.986 --> 00:31:23.946
Diego: So, Superman and John Kent.
00:31:24.886 --> 00:31:26.986
Diego: I am not following any of the comics.
00:31:26.986 --> 00:31:31.606
Diego: I know that he recently came out as bisexual, and I know that that was like a whole big deal for everybody.
00:31:33.126 --> 00:31:38.766
Diego: And they've got that whole storyline going on right now, where he and Dick Grayson are kind of like following the legacy of Batman, Superman.
00:31:40.106 --> 00:31:41.546
Diego: So I don't know what he's been up to.
00:31:41.566 --> 00:31:47.906
Diego: The last thing, the thing that I did follow in the comics wise was the deceased world.
00:31:50.286 --> 00:31:55.346
Diego: And in that one, it's actually John Kent and Damien who take over for their fathers.
00:31:56.006 --> 00:32:05.646
Diego: And they take on the respective personas of Batman and Superman, and they really struggle in this crazy dead world to figure out how to be, like honor their fathers.
00:32:05.666 --> 00:32:06.206
Diego: Yeah.
00:32:06.386 --> 00:32:09.646
Joshua: I really liked the deceased dead planet.
00:32:09.666 --> 00:32:10.266
Joshua: What was it?
00:32:10.286 --> 00:32:10.726
Joshua: What was it?
00:32:11.226 --> 00:32:11.906
Diego: Unkillables.
00:32:12.026 --> 00:32:12.826
Joshua: Unkillables.
00:32:12.846 --> 00:32:13.806
Joshua: That was really cool.
00:32:14.006 --> 00:32:24.146
Diego: Yo, honestly, if DC doesn't very quickly turn this into like its own trilogy of movies or something, they are missing an opportunity.
00:32:24.326 --> 00:32:26.586
Joshua: Bro, like those tree lobsters?
00:32:27.986 --> 00:32:29.606
Diego: The tree lobsters, yes.
00:32:30.246 --> 00:32:31.106
Diego: So cool, man.
00:32:31.126 --> 00:32:32.006
Diego: What a great story.
00:32:32.026 --> 00:32:35.126
Diego: That is really one of the best stories that I read from DC in a long time.
00:32:35.306 --> 00:32:35.606
Joshua: Yeah.
00:32:35.626 --> 00:32:37.526
Diego: And so much potential to just create.
00:32:37.826 --> 00:32:45.966
Diego: They could create like a show on HBO Max and extend it for multiple seasons.
00:32:46.006 --> 00:32:49.986
Diego: It's basically like a mix between like Titans and The Walking Dead.
00:32:50.566 --> 00:32:51.026
Joshua: Yeah.
00:32:51.046 --> 00:32:52.906
Diego: And my God, that show would sell.
00:32:53.126 --> 00:32:54.286
Diego: Like, come on.
00:32:54.486 --> 00:32:55.646
Diego: It's such a cool world.
00:32:55.706 --> 00:32:59.466
Diego: One of the best worlds has been created from the DC side of things.
00:32:59.626 --> 00:32:59.946
Diego: All right.
00:33:00.046 --> 00:33:03.026
Diego: Let's pick up the list with Marvel.
00:33:03.166 --> 00:33:03.546
Joshua: Yes.
00:33:03.646 --> 00:33:20.046
Diego: So we've got about nine different father-son or father-figure relationships to chat about, starting with one that was really highlighted in the MCU throughout the first three phases of the MCU, and that is Tony Stark and Peter Parker.
00:33:20.246 --> 00:33:20.826
Joshua: Yeah.
00:33:21.066 --> 00:33:22.506
Diego: What can you tell me about this, son?
00:33:23.426 --> 00:33:26.046
Joshua: So what I can say is that this is a very...
00:33:26.526 --> 00:33:27.306
Joshua: I mean, all of these...
00:33:27.866 --> 00:33:30.066
Joshua: Most of these relationships are very interesting.
00:33:31.806 --> 00:33:42.546
Joshua: I feel like Peter, kind of at the beginning, he was, like, much more drawn to Tony, and Tony was definitely more like, like, hold on, bro.
00:33:42.866 --> 00:33:43.326
Diego: Yeah.
00:33:43.346 --> 00:33:44.146
Joshua: We're not that close.
00:33:44.206 --> 00:33:44.846
Diego: Boundaries.
00:33:44.966 --> 00:33:45.406
Joshua: Yeah.
00:33:46.066 --> 00:33:49.446
Joshua: And then at the end, there was that scene where...
00:33:52.366 --> 00:33:56.466
Joshua: Yeah, where, in Infinity War, Peter was, like, trying to hug Tony.
00:33:56.866 --> 00:33:59.306
Joshua: And then he was, like, and he, like, pushed him back.
00:33:59.326 --> 00:34:00.446
Joshua: I don't get that still.
00:34:00.846 --> 00:34:01.626
Joshua: I still don't get it.
00:34:02.246 --> 00:34:06.746
Joshua: And then in Endgame, he was, like, finally...
00:34:06.766 --> 00:34:09.066
Diego: Oh, you mean Civil War in the car?
00:34:10.186 --> 00:34:10.546
Joshua: No.
00:34:11.466 --> 00:34:12.306
Diego: Infinity War?
00:34:12.766 --> 00:34:15.006
Joshua: Yeah, when Peter was fading away.
00:34:15.966 --> 00:34:16.746
Diego: Oh, yeah.
00:34:16.926 --> 00:34:17.226
Joshua: Yeah.
00:34:17.606 --> 00:34:19.146
Diego: What did you say that he pushed him away?
00:34:19.166 --> 00:34:19.586
Diego: What do you mean?
00:34:20.166 --> 00:34:21.526
Joshua: He, like, Tony...
00:34:21.706 --> 00:34:28.066
Joshua: I mean, Peter was, like, trying to hug Tony, and then he, like, pushed him back on the ground.
00:34:28.666 --> 00:34:29.246
Diego: No, he didn't.
00:34:29.266 --> 00:34:32.186
Diego: He was, like, carefully laying him on the ground because he knew that he was in pain.
00:34:32.706 --> 00:34:32.926
Joshua: Oh.
00:34:33.266 --> 00:34:35.246
Diego: No, he wasn't rejecting him at that point.
00:34:35.306 --> 00:34:38.506
Diego: On the contrary, I mean, that was one of Tony's, like, greatest fears.
00:34:39.326 --> 00:34:42.746
Diego: That, you know, that he, that the kid would die in his arms, you know?
00:34:43.726 --> 00:34:50.166
Joshua: So, and then in Endgame, finally, when he shows up, Tony is the one to actually hug him.
00:34:50.466 --> 00:34:50.666
Diego: Yeah.
00:34:50.686 --> 00:34:51.126
Joshua: Like that.
00:34:51.306 --> 00:34:55.806
Diego: And that's a full circle back to Homecoming.
00:34:55.986 --> 00:34:56.666
Joshua: Yeah, Homecoming.
00:34:56.686 --> 00:35:02.906
Diego: The beginning of Homecoming, when he's dropping Peter off, he and Happy are dropping Peter off back at his apartment.
00:35:02.926 --> 00:35:06.646
Diego: And he goes to unlock the door, and Peter thinks he's trying to hug him.
00:35:07.426 --> 00:35:08.966
Diego: And he's like, no, no, no, we're not there yet.
00:35:09.746 --> 00:35:11.086
Diego: And there you go, full circle.
00:35:11.226 --> 00:35:13.766
Diego: Man, the Russos really did a number with that movie.
00:35:15.366 --> 00:35:24.166
Diego: The amount of full circle connections that they made just shows how much attention they wanted to pay to paint stuff off for their fans.
00:35:24.466 --> 00:35:34.926
Diego: Anyway, so yeah, Tony Stark and Peter Parker, really interesting because, of course, traditionally the mentor or the father figure for Peter Parker is Uncle Ben.
00:35:35.286 --> 00:35:53.906
Diego: And so in the MCU, they took the cue from the Civil War storyline in the comics where Peter Parker got very close to Tony Stark and he became kind of like his main ally in the Superhero Registration Act, which is kind of like the Sokovia Accords in the MCU.
00:35:54.506 --> 00:36:00.786
Diego: And he got Tony convinced Peter to reveal his secret identity to the entire world in a press conference.
00:36:00.806 --> 00:36:01.206
Joshua: Oh, really?
00:36:01.266 --> 00:36:01.666
Diego: Yeah.
00:36:02.786 --> 00:36:09.586
Diego: And so that relationship became very important, but it was a lot more like mentor-mentee as opposed to a father figure relationship.
00:36:09.606 --> 00:36:10.906
Joshua: That's a word, mentee.
00:36:10.926 --> 00:36:13.006
Diego: Mentee is a word, incredibly enough, yeah.
00:36:13.426 --> 00:36:15.526
Joshua: Mentor, mentee, mentos.
00:36:16.526 --> 00:36:20.346
Diego: Yes, a mentor and mentee ate some mentos and went mental.
00:36:22.826 --> 00:36:25.266
Diego: I'm sorry, I meant to say something different.
00:36:26.326 --> 00:36:27.166
Diego: I can keep going.
00:36:27.186 --> 00:36:27.866
Diego: I can keep going.
00:36:27.886 --> 00:36:29.786
Diego: I'm telling you, I can keep on going.
00:36:29.806 --> 00:36:30.526
Diego: I'm sorry, bro.
00:36:30.546 --> 00:36:31.226
Diego: I'm a lyricist.
00:36:31.246 --> 00:36:31.766
Diego: What can I do?
00:36:31.786 --> 00:36:32.226
Diego: What can I do?
00:36:32.246 --> 00:36:32.786
Diego: I'm an MC.
00:36:33.286 --> 00:36:41.886
Diego: Anyway, but yeah, the MCU decided to pick that up and make that the focus of Tony Stark and Peter Parker.
00:36:41.906 --> 00:36:51.746
Diego: And I think it was very smart, because it ended up creating a lot of interesting storylines for Tony and for his character development, and of course, also for Peter.
00:36:52.866 --> 00:36:58.366
Diego: But let's talk also about, of course, our number two within the Marvel list, which is Uncle Ben and Peter Parker.
00:36:59.266 --> 00:37:01.166
Diego: That one is so important.
00:37:01.706 --> 00:37:07.726
Diego: And I'm so happy that in Spider-Man No Way Home, they brought it back to that.
00:37:08.026 --> 00:37:08.486
Joshua: Yeah.
00:37:08.586 --> 00:37:08.926
Diego: Right?
00:37:09.126 --> 00:37:15.406
Joshua: Because in the beginning, like Uncle Ben is kind of like long dead.
00:37:15.606 --> 00:37:16.406
Diego: Yeah, right.
00:37:16.426 --> 00:37:18.826
Joshua: And so like there's not really anyone to like...
00:37:20.526 --> 00:37:20.906
Joshua: Yeah.
00:37:21.086 --> 00:37:29.626
Diego: And in the 616 MCU universe, they gave that role now of, you know, dying, great power, great responsibility...
00:37:31.026 --> 00:37:31.886
Diego: To Aunt May.
00:37:32.346 --> 00:37:33.246
Diego: May she rest in peace.
00:37:34.286 --> 00:37:42.766
Diego: But of course, you had Andrew Garfield Spidey and you had Tobey Maguire Spidey making that connection by them talking about their Uncle Ben stories.
00:37:43.186 --> 00:37:50.226
Diego: So even though we didn't get to live that same Uncle Ben moment with MCU Peter Parker, we still got that connection.
00:37:50.746 --> 00:37:56.046
Diego: We still got that whole thing and the incredible event that was No Way Home.
00:37:56.466 --> 00:37:56.846
Joshua: Yeah.
00:37:56.966 --> 00:38:00.706
Diego: So yeah, Uncle Ben and Peter Parker definitely had to be on this list.
00:38:00.726 --> 00:38:02.446
Diego: Next, this one comes from comics.
00:38:03.086 --> 00:38:08.606
Diego: In the comics, Magneto is the father of Wanda Maximoff and Pietro Maximoff.
00:38:08.626 --> 00:38:09.706
Diego: Yeah.
00:38:09.726 --> 00:38:11.986
Diego: And that is a very important relationship.
00:38:12.006 --> 00:38:16.046
Diego: They are with him in the Brotherhood of Mutants for many, many storylines.
00:38:16.786 --> 00:38:27.826
Diego: And then House of M, as Wanda is developing her powers as a Scarlet Witch and becoming this reality altering super powered mutant.
00:38:29.146 --> 00:38:32.006
Diego: That relationship with Magneto was also played up in there.
00:38:32.426 --> 00:38:38.026
Diego: There's a lot of stuff that happens in the comics that revolves around this father and children relationship.
00:38:38.666 --> 00:38:41.926
Diego: One which we have not gotten in the movies.
00:38:42.566 --> 00:38:42.866
Joshua: Yeah.
00:38:43.086 --> 00:38:49.166
Diego: We did get the somewhat revelation that...
00:38:49.166 --> 00:38:51.066
Diego: You mean the X-Men?
00:38:51.086 --> 00:38:52.286
Diego: Yeah, that Pietro there was...
00:38:52.306 --> 00:38:53.546
Diego: His name was Pietro.
00:38:53.566 --> 00:38:54.546
Diego: Magneto's son.
00:38:54.566 --> 00:38:55.526
Joshua: I forgot about that.
00:38:55.766 --> 00:38:56.086
Diego: Yeah.
00:38:57.206 --> 00:39:00.786
Diego: But still, it wasn't something that led to anywhere significant.
00:39:00.806 --> 00:39:02.626
Diego: It was just kind of there, mentioned.
00:39:02.646 --> 00:39:08.706
Diego: And it's kind of implied, I think, that there's a Wanda as a little girl, but never really explored.
00:39:09.046 --> 00:39:13.826
Diego: And of course, in the MCU, Magneto was not a thing, so we never got that mentioned.
00:39:13.846 --> 00:39:29.166
Diego: And in Multiverse of Madness, which was the best freakin opportunity for Professor X to tell her, you have a father in my world, and I can show you how not to become like him, Wanda.
00:39:29.206 --> 00:39:29.526
Diego: Nope.
00:39:29.546 --> 00:39:31.546
Diego: Instead, he just gets his neck snapped.
00:39:32.266 --> 00:39:33.706
Diego: Just like that.
00:39:34.106 --> 00:39:34.666
Diego: Crack.
00:39:34.826 --> 00:39:35.486
Diego: Crack.
00:39:36.826 --> 00:39:37.686
Diego: Still mad about that.
00:39:37.706 --> 00:39:38.706
Joshua: Black Bolt.
00:39:39.046 --> 00:39:39.746
Diego: I'm still mad.
00:39:39.746 --> 00:39:43.526
Diego: Don't talk to me about Black Bolt's inner turmoil.
00:39:43.966 --> 00:39:49.066
Joshua: If Reed Richards is the smartest man alive, he would not...
00:39:49.706 --> 00:39:50.226
Diego: Anyway.
00:39:50.666 --> 00:39:51.066
Diego: Yeah.
00:39:51.766 --> 00:40:04.486
Diego: Now, talking about Wanda Maximoff, of course, in Wanda Vision, we got the scenario where Wanda and Vision had two children, Billy and Tommy.
00:40:05.066 --> 00:40:10.766
Diego: And we got to see, at first, Vision was kind of, you know, like, suspicious.
00:40:10.786 --> 00:40:11.966
Diego: What's going on here?
00:40:11.966 --> 00:40:13.586
Diego: Where did these kids come from?
00:40:14.146 --> 00:40:22.726
Diego: But then by the end, after he kind of knew everything that was going on and he understood the nature of the Hex and all that stuff, he was ready to fight for his kids, man.
00:40:22.986 --> 00:40:23.386
Joshua: Yeah.
00:40:23.586 --> 00:40:27.346
Diego: And they had that really beautiful scene where they're, like, putting them to bed for one last time.
00:40:27.366 --> 00:40:28.466
Diego: Damn, that was such a sad scene.
00:40:30.446 --> 00:40:31.786
Diego: So, yeah, Vision.
00:40:31.806 --> 00:40:33.406
Diego: Vision became a dad, you know?
00:40:33.426 --> 00:40:37.046
Diego: And somewhere in the Multiverse, I'm sure that he still is.
00:40:37.246 --> 00:40:47.686
Joshua: And in Multiverse of Madness, those kids, the actors of Billy and Tommy, they were in a big event, MCU event movie.
00:40:48.546 --> 00:40:48.826
Diego: What?
00:40:49.546 --> 00:40:51.946
Joshua: In Multiverse of Madness, the kids who play Billy and Tommy.
00:40:54.386 --> 00:40:56.286
Diego: Oh, that they got brought into a movie.
00:40:56.306 --> 00:40:58.246
Diego: Yeah, exactly.
00:40:58.266 --> 00:40:58.466
Diego: Yeah.
00:40:58.886 --> 00:40:59.586
Diego: And you know what?
00:40:59.606 --> 00:41:00.806
Diego: They hadn't dumbed on me, man.
00:41:00.826 --> 00:41:01.486
Diego: That's true.
00:41:01.506 --> 00:41:04.266
Joshua: And it's the same actors and all that.
00:41:04.326 --> 00:41:06.746
Diego: Yeah, those kids really got their moment, man.
00:41:07.406 --> 00:41:08.966
Diego: And we haven't seen anything yet, bro.
00:41:09.046 --> 00:41:13.266
Joshua: I want to see who they choose to play their older selves.
00:41:14.126 --> 00:41:19.266
Diego: I mean, remember, like, when you're that age, you grow and change constantly, man.
00:41:20.186 --> 00:41:25.766
Diego: So technically, they could make it so that they are, they keep playing the characters.
00:41:25.786 --> 00:41:26.366
Diego: I don't think why.
00:41:26.386 --> 00:41:27.666
Diego: I don't see any reason why they shouldn't.
00:41:27.826 --> 00:41:28.146
Joshua: Yeah.
00:41:28.526 --> 00:41:29.346
Diego: Really think about it.
00:41:31.386 --> 00:41:43.446
Diego: Plus, it seems to me, total tangent here, but it seems to me like Marvel is possibly doing with Young Avengers what they did with The Avengers.
00:41:43.786 --> 00:41:44.246
Joshua: Yeah.
00:41:44.266 --> 00:41:46.406
Diego: Which was take their time to build something.
00:41:46.926 --> 00:41:54.026
Diego: It really does start to seem, because I mean, bro, we've got Hawkeye, Cape Bishop out there.
00:41:54.586 --> 00:41:57.726
Diego: We've got the Black Widow.
00:41:59.226 --> 00:41:59.946
Diego: Help me out here.
00:42:01.126 --> 00:42:01.786
Diego: What's her name?
00:42:03.286 --> 00:42:04.526
Diego: The sister of Natasha.
00:42:04.546 --> 00:42:06.186
Joshua: I don't think she's not.
00:42:06.466 --> 00:42:08.726
Diego: Oh, she could definitely be in Young Avengers.
00:42:08.746 --> 00:42:09.706
Joshua: She's not that young.
00:42:10.326 --> 00:42:11.206
Diego: Wow.
00:42:11.226 --> 00:42:13.186
Diego: You got something against Florence Pugh, bro?
00:42:13.946 --> 00:42:15.686
Diego: You want to get something off your chest?
00:42:15.706 --> 00:42:16.906
Diego: You want to tell us about it?
00:42:16.926 --> 00:42:17.766
Diego: Go ahead, son.
00:42:18.086 --> 00:42:18.726
Diego: Go ahead.
00:42:20.346 --> 00:42:20.886
Diego: No, please.
00:42:20.906 --> 00:42:21.326
Diego: Go ahead.
00:42:21.346 --> 00:42:23.366
Diego: Tell us about this old lady, Florence Pugh.
00:42:23.386 --> 00:42:24.226
Diego: Go ahead, son.
00:42:25.046 --> 00:42:26.106
Diego: Wow, this guy.
00:42:29.666 --> 00:42:33.506
Diego: Anyway, you've got Isaiah, who becomes the Patriot character.
00:42:33.546 --> 00:42:34.486
Joshua: Kamala Khan.
00:42:34.546 --> 00:42:37.926
Diego: You've got Kamala Khan now being introduced in the Awesomest Marvel series.
00:42:38.166 --> 00:42:42.406
Diego: You've got Tommy and Billy, and, you know, multiple other characters.
00:42:42.426 --> 00:42:43.406
Joshua: And then Kang.
00:42:44.006 --> 00:42:54.386
Diego: So, yeah, like, it's starting to be like, you know, they're planting all the seeds, and they could take their time, so, you know, these kids could really be growing up by that point.
00:42:54.686 --> 00:42:57.986
Joshua: There are some Disney Plus shows that are not...
00:42:58.186 --> 00:43:00.346
Joshua: that have not been, like, released yet.
00:43:00.706 --> 00:43:03.546
Joshua: That I feel like they've been, like, talking about for a long time.
00:43:04.346 --> 00:43:05.446
Joshua: Like Ironheart.
00:43:05.706 --> 00:43:06.106
Diego: Oh, yeah.
00:43:06.306 --> 00:43:06.526
Joshua: Mm-hmm.
00:43:06.626 --> 00:43:07.526
Diego: Oh, she's another one.
00:43:07.806 --> 00:43:08.166
Joshua: Yeah.
00:43:08.286 --> 00:43:13.806
Joshua: Also, when I said Kang, I meant because I remember you told me one time that, like, Ironlad became Kang.
00:43:15.126 --> 00:43:17.806
Joshua: And I kind of connected Ironlad and Ironheart.
00:43:17.826 --> 00:43:21.486
Joshua: So that's why it sounded kind of weird when I said, Kang, Kang.
00:43:22.326 --> 00:43:23.546
Diego: Yeah, just a bit.
00:43:24.426 --> 00:43:28.606
Diego: All right, now let's talk about a couple of guys who should get Father of the Year awards.
00:43:28.706 --> 00:43:29.406
Diego: Thanos.
00:43:30.026 --> 00:43:38.306
Diego: Thanos and his being a sort of adoptive slash kidnapping father to Gamora and Nebula.
00:43:38.606 --> 00:43:40.026
Diego: Especially with Nebula.
00:43:40.046 --> 00:43:43.046
Diego: I feel like he should receive some kind of award for his parenting of Nebula.
00:43:43.066 --> 00:43:45.786
Joshua: He treated her amazing.
00:43:45.806 --> 00:43:48.786
Diego: Yeah, he got her spare parts all the time.
00:43:48.806 --> 00:43:53.746
Diego: He kept her with the best software updates because he implanted her with machinery.
00:43:54.626 --> 00:43:55.246
Diego: Great father.
00:43:55.706 --> 00:43:56.246
Diego: Good dad.
00:43:56.266 --> 00:43:57.046
Diego: Yeah, good dad.
00:43:58.646 --> 00:44:08.146
Diego: But no, and then we get that moment, of course, with Thanos and Gamora over in the Soul Stone place, Vormir, and he sacrifices her.
00:44:08.166 --> 00:44:15.286
Diego: And it actually works, which legitimately implies, that implies it confirms that he actually loved her.
00:44:16.466 --> 00:44:18.546
Diego: Because it wouldn't have worked if he didn't love her.
00:44:20.446 --> 00:44:21.566
Joshua: That's true.
00:44:21.586 --> 00:44:24.926
Diego: Yeah, like the Soul Stone reads your heart, right?
00:44:25.526 --> 00:44:26.826
Diego: It can see what's inside.
00:44:27.546 --> 00:44:30.906
Diego: So like, he actually did love her, which is a crazy thing.
00:44:30.926 --> 00:44:34.626
Diego: So you can't deny, give him that award, give him that award, even though he killed her, but whatever.
00:44:34.646 --> 00:44:37.126
Joshua: I wonder what would happen if he threw Nebula off.
00:44:38.766 --> 00:44:44.626
Diego: Just a lot of misuse of spare parts, you know, a lot of broken tech.
00:44:44.646 --> 00:44:45.426
Diego: That's all that would happen.
00:44:46.446 --> 00:44:48.766
Joshua: I would grab Red Skull.
00:44:49.246 --> 00:44:53.406
Joshua: I would like kiss Red Skull to make me love him.
00:44:54.426 --> 00:44:57.386
Joshua: And then I would throw him off so that I could get the thing.
00:44:58.306 --> 00:45:00.306
Diego: There is so much wrong with what you just said.
00:45:00.326 --> 00:45:05.486
Diego: I'm just going to move on to the next award winner here, which is Ego the Living Planet.
00:45:05.506 --> 00:45:07.726
Joshua: Yeah, another amazing father.
00:45:07.746 --> 00:45:09.866
Joshua: Another just amazing father.
00:45:11.766 --> 00:45:26.226
Diego: Yeah, this guy quite literally went around planting seeds all over the universe, making babies with women from different alien species, one of them being Peter Quill's mom, which eventually made her get cancer and die.
00:45:26.506 --> 00:45:26.946
Joshua: Yeah.
00:45:27.126 --> 00:45:45.766
Diego: And then he went to grab Peter Quill, and he bamboozled him to make him think that he wanted to have a relationship with him, when all he really needed was the two god-powered beings to activate something or rather that he needed to conquer the universe or whatever.
00:45:45.786 --> 00:45:48.366
Joshua: It makes sense.
00:45:48.646 --> 00:45:49.406
Diego: Not a great dad.
00:45:50.186 --> 00:45:52.026
Diego: But I'll tell you who was a better dad.
00:45:53.406 --> 00:45:56.386
Diego: The guy who kidnapped him as a child, yes.
00:45:56.386 --> 00:45:59.186
Joshua: And told him and scared him that he was going to eat him.
00:45:59.206 --> 00:46:00.626
Diego: Yes, multiple times apparently.
00:46:00.646 --> 00:46:01.926
Joshua: Multiple times, yes.
00:46:01.946 --> 00:46:03.186
Diego: He threatened with this, yeah.
00:46:03.686 --> 00:46:05.806
Diego: But in the end, all is forgiven, you know.
00:46:05.826 --> 00:46:07.326
Joshua: He became Mary Poppins.
00:46:07.566 --> 00:46:09.126
Diego: He did become Mary Poppins.
00:46:09.546 --> 00:46:12.566
Diego: And yeah, he died, you know.
00:46:12.586 --> 00:46:13.506
Diego: Trying to like save him.
00:46:14.446 --> 00:46:18.006
Diego: So I guess we forgive him for all his past misdeeds.
00:46:18.286 --> 00:46:18.806
Joshua: Yeah.
00:46:19.906 --> 00:46:20.466
Diego: Hey, listen.
00:46:20.726 --> 00:46:22.926
Diego: Definitely a better father, I think, than Diego.
00:46:23.006 --> 00:46:23.626
Joshua: Oh, yeah.
00:46:23.766 --> 00:46:24.486
Diego: I would think so.
00:46:25.066 --> 00:46:27.566
Diego: Not a better father than Thanos, because he legitimately loved Gamora.
00:46:27.586 --> 00:46:32.746
Diego: All right, let's talk about a weird father-child connection here, a relationship.
00:46:33.166 --> 00:46:33.626
Joshua: Yeah.
00:46:33.646 --> 00:46:34.606
Diego: It's a very gooey one.
00:46:35.906 --> 00:46:37.146
Joshua: Venom and Carnage.
00:46:37.946 --> 00:46:38.286
Diego: Yeah.
00:46:38.506 --> 00:46:43.906
Diego: And this was a funny one, because, like, you know, Carnage is kind of like a spawn of Venom.
00:46:45.326 --> 00:46:49.946
Diego: And, like, legitimately, in the comics, they make reference to that all the time.
00:46:49.966 --> 00:46:51.606
Diego: Like, Carnage calls him father.
00:46:51.726 --> 00:46:54.366
Joshua: And he called him father in the movie, too.
00:46:54.526 --> 00:46:55.566
Diego: Oh, did he call him father?
00:46:55.566 --> 00:47:00.606
Joshua: Yeah, because there was a scene where Carnage was like, he was like, father.
00:47:00.986 --> 00:47:04.826
Joshua: And then the priest that was there, like, the pastor or whatever, he was like, huh?
00:47:05.566 --> 00:47:07.286
Joshua: And then he was like, not you, father.
00:47:07.966 --> 00:47:09.886
Diego: That's right, that's right, I forgot about that.
00:47:10.626 --> 00:47:12.586
Diego: Yeah, so, Venom and Carnage.
00:47:12.846 --> 00:47:14.206
Diego: Very weird.
00:47:14.746 --> 00:47:15.466
Joshua: Great duo.
00:47:15.546 --> 00:47:17.506
Diego: Father, son, child relationship.
00:47:17.526 --> 00:47:18.386
Joshua: I'm sad that he died.
00:47:18.766 --> 00:47:19.146
Diego: Yeah.
00:47:19.866 --> 00:47:20.466
Joshua: I like him.
00:47:20.486 --> 00:47:26.626
Diego: So we got this one, this next one on our list, and this is an interesting one because I haven't confirmed this for myself.
00:47:26.766 --> 00:47:27.206
Joshua: Yeah.
00:47:27.406 --> 00:47:34.266
Diego: But there's a lot of people out there who seem to think that Rocket and Groot actually have a father and child dynamic.
00:47:34.406 --> 00:47:42.946
Joshua: I definitely see it as Rocket is like, this is a very specific kind of connection here.
00:47:43.526 --> 00:47:56.326
Joshua: But I kind of see it as if Groot is 14 years old, and then Rocket is something like, I don't know, Rocket is like 19, and then it's just like an older brother relationship.
00:47:58.406 --> 00:48:00.646
Joshua: Oh, you see it like an older brother type relationship.
00:48:00.766 --> 00:48:10.226
Diego: I don't know, man, but there's some people who say that when Groot is fading, that what he actually tells him in his I Am Groot language, his father.
00:48:11.666 --> 00:48:12.686
Diego: There's a theory out there.
00:48:12.706 --> 00:48:13.366
Diego: Look it up, people.
00:48:13.426 --> 00:48:15.526
Joshua: How do they know that?
00:48:15.546 --> 00:48:16.126
Diego: I don't know.
00:48:16.146 --> 00:48:17.266
Diego: Maybe someone speaks Groot.
00:48:17.286 --> 00:48:17.826
Joshua: Do they know?
00:48:17.846 --> 00:48:20.926
Joshua: Okay, maybe they got Thor to translate for them.
00:48:20.946 --> 00:48:21.526
Diego: It could be.
00:48:21.926 --> 00:48:25.186
Diego: Maybe someone out there went to Asgard school.
00:48:25.686 --> 00:48:26.506
Diego: Yeah.
00:48:26.606 --> 00:48:31.526
Diego: And they took that as an elective group language.
00:48:32.626 --> 00:48:33.886
Joshua: What is that language called?
00:48:33.906 --> 00:48:34.566
Joshua: I want to know.
00:48:34.586 --> 00:48:35.866
Diego: I don't know, Grootish.
00:48:37.186 --> 00:48:43.306
Diego: All right, and now let's hop off of the Marvel world, and let's go to the world of anime.
00:48:43.366 --> 00:48:44.026
Joshua: Anime.
00:48:44.406 --> 00:48:45.006
Diego: Anime.
00:48:45.086 --> 00:48:46.426
Joshua: Shindai wa nai.
00:48:47.106 --> 00:48:48.206
Diego: Oh dear.
00:48:48.226 --> 00:48:51.786
Diego: Okay, sorry Japanese people out there.
00:48:52.026 --> 00:48:56.406
Diego: Anyway, yeah, so in anime, let's first make a stop at Dragon Ball Land.
00:48:57.326 --> 00:48:58.186
Diego: We got a couple here.
00:48:58.666 --> 00:48:59.226
Diego: Got a couple.
00:48:59.686 --> 00:49:00.666
Diego: Goku and Gohan.
00:49:01.106 --> 00:49:04.386
Diego: Now, I gotta say, Goku in my book, I love Goku.
00:49:04.446 --> 00:49:05.146
Diego: He's a hero.
00:49:05.166 --> 00:49:06.726
Diego: Saved the world multiple times.
00:49:06.766 --> 00:49:08.506
Joshua: And he still sounds like a 10-year-old.
00:49:08.726 --> 00:49:12.466
Diego: Yes, dude eats like a hippopotamus and still is ripped.
00:49:12.986 --> 00:49:14.166
Diego: You gotta admire the man.
00:49:14.766 --> 00:49:16.886
Joshua: He has really fast metabolism.
00:49:16.906 --> 00:49:18.046
Diego: He really does, yes.
00:49:19.566 --> 00:49:23.546
Diego: Now, what he isn't is particularly a good father.
00:49:23.786 --> 00:49:24.326
Joshua: Yeah.
00:49:24.586 --> 00:49:28.386
Diego: Like, he's a hero and all that, and because he's a hero, Gohan admires him.
00:49:28.406 --> 00:49:29.086
Diego: He always has.
00:49:29.106 --> 00:49:30.386
Diego: And Goten admires him.
00:49:31.026 --> 00:49:34.926
Diego: But like, he's never been particularly nurturing or fatherly, you know?
00:49:34.926 --> 00:49:36.066
Diego: He's nice.
00:49:36.086 --> 00:49:39.326
Diego: He's not abusive or anything, or angry all the time.
00:49:39.346 --> 00:49:50.186
Joshua: I mean, there were definitely some scenes of him like, like, like, lay one more finger on my son, and I'll absolutely obliterate your face into a thousand smithereens.
00:49:50.426 --> 00:49:50.966
Diego: There was?
00:49:51.306 --> 00:49:52.786
Joshua: Yeah, there are some scenes like that.
00:49:53.946 --> 00:50:08.386
Diego: So, like, let's just say that, like, if Goku had a choice between, like, dying so that he could go and train in the afterlife with some grandmaster, or staying alive and raising his kids, he would absolutely choose to die.
00:50:09.406 --> 00:50:11.706
Diego: And as a matter of fact, he kind of has in the past.
00:50:12.526 --> 00:50:13.706
Joshua: Absolutely?
00:50:13.866 --> 00:50:14.506
Diego: Absolutely.
00:50:15.106 --> 00:50:23.086
Diego: There's nothing more important to Goku, not even his sons, nothing more important to Goku than training and becoming stronger.
00:50:23.426 --> 00:50:24.206
Diego: There just isn't.
00:50:26.266 --> 00:50:29.346
Diego: So for that reason, I can't say that he's a great dad, but hey, he's a dad.
00:50:29.726 --> 00:50:30.666
Diego: You know, he's there.
00:50:31.126 --> 00:50:32.586
Diego: And Gokan, and Gokan.
00:50:33.346 --> 00:50:39.566
Diego: Gohan has undoubtedly, like, taken on, taken after his father when it comes to being heroic and all that.
00:50:40.626 --> 00:50:43.526
Diego: And Goten has taken after his father for being annoying.
00:50:43.866 --> 00:50:45.946
Joshua: I don't get Goku's mindset, honestly.
00:50:46.726 --> 00:50:48.286
Joshua: Like, he's a god.
00:50:48.426 --> 00:50:49.686
Joshua: He's basically a god.
00:50:49.866 --> 00:50:50.566
Diego: Almost, yeah.
00:50:50.766 --> 00:50:52.486
Joshua: He's like, he beat Jiren.
00:50:53.106 --> 00:50:57.406
Joshua: Now he could probably beat Jiren now at just, like, Super Saiyan Blue.
00:50:57.426 --> 00:50:59.726
Joshua: He probably wouldn't have to go with your instinct.
00:51:00.546 --> 00:51:01.666
Diego: Yeah, I don't know.
00:51:01.666 --> 00:51:03.206
Diego: He's a strange character, for sure.
00:51:03.226 --> 00:51:04.186
Joshua: He's definitely.
00:51:04.726 --> 00:51:05.766
Diego: But not the best father.
00:51:05.806 --> 00:51:06.306
Diego: Not really.
00:51:06.866 --> 00:51:15.086
Diego: Now, interestingly enough, in one of those storylines in preparation for the Saiyan battles, Piccolo ended up taking Gohan under his wing.
00:51:15.846 --> 00:51:18.526
Diego: And he started trying to get the toughness out of him.
00:51:18.646 --> 00:51:19.106
Joshua: Yeah.
00:51:19.626 --> 00:51:20.786
Diego: And he...
00:51:20.806 --> 00:51:22.026
Diego: It was horrible.
00:51:22.046 --> 00:51:22.806
Diego: It was abuse.
00:51:22.806 --> 00:51:24.886
Diego: Like straight up child abuse.
00:51:24.906 --> 00:51:27.306
Diego: He was beating this little tiny toddler kid.
00:51:27.326 --> 00:51:31.366
Joshua: At least they didn't show that much in the Kakarot game when I was playing it.
00:51:31.406 --> 00:51:31.806
Diego: Yeah.
00:51:31.826 --> 00:51:32.646
Joshua: It just showed...
00:51:33.006 --> 00:51:36.666
Joshua: I feel like it made it look like Piccolo was being nice to Gohan.
00:51:36.886 --> 00:51:37.346
Diego: Really?
00:51:37.486 --> 00:51:49.326
Joshua: Because in the thing, it was like, he was like, he saw, he was like flying in the air, and he saw Gohan laying on the top of a mountain, and he was like, okay, I guess I'll give him some food and a sword.
00:51:51.266 --> 00:51:53.026
Joshua: Is that what happens in the show?
00:51:53.046 --> 00:51:53.666
Diego: A sword?
00:51:53.666 --> 00:51:54.086
Diego: No.
00:51:54.646 --> 00:51:56.066
Diego: He does feed him once or twice.
00:51:59.466 --> 00:52:00.746
Diego: Only once or twice.
00:52:00.766 --> 00:52:01.166
Joshua: A year.
00:52:01.186 --> 00:52:04.446
Joshua: It took a year for the saints to get there.
00:52:04.466 --> 00:52:04.686
Diego: Yeah.
00:52:05.366 --> 00:52:12.506
Diego: But listen, the interesting thing though, is that he does protect them, and he shows that he made an emotional connection with them later.
00:52:13.326 --> 00:52:16.026
Diego: He steps in the line to save them, I think, once or twice.
00:52:16.106 --> 00:52:18.806
Joshua: And then Gohan gets an epic Piccolo outfit.
00:52:19.026 --> 00:52:19.406
Diego: Yeah.
00:52:20.186 --> 00:52:23.226
Diego: And then there's a point where Gohan ends up training with him again.
00:52:23.246 --> 00:52:26.646
Diego: I think it's when he's a teenager, maybe in preparation for Sel's arrival.
00:52:27.326 --> 00:52:28.026
Diego: Something like that.
00:52:28.226 --> 00:52:34.606
Diego: And he actually is given the gear, the type of gear that Piccolo wears.
00:52:35.306 --> 00:52:39.326
Diego: So Piccolo, whether you want to or not, became a father figure for Gohan.
00:52:39.386 --> 00:52:41.706
Joshua: That's what Gohan was wearing when he beat Sel, right?
00:52:41.726 --> 00:52:42.346
Diego: Yeah, it was.
00:52:43.246 --> 00:52:44.526
Diego: Yeah.
00:52:44.546 --> 00:52:47.386
Diego: So really interesting, that whole relationship there with Piccolo and Gohan.
00:52:47.406 --> 00:52:51.626
Diego: Now, also from the Dragon Ball Universe, is Vegeta and Trunks.
00:52:51.986 --> 00:52:53.926
Diego: Anything with Vegeta is like complicated.
00:52:53.946 --> 00:52:57.726
Diego: The fact that Vegeta has a family is the weirdest thing in the world.
00:52:58.546 --> 00:53:08.406
Diego: But he does, and somehow he manages to get Cheechie to love him.
00:53:09.066 --> 00:53:12.206
Diego: But with Trunks, it never quite gets to that point.
00:53:12.466 --> 00:53:17.066
Diego: There is no love, I don't think, really between those two.
00:53:17.586 --> 00:53:18.986
Joshua: Not at least.
00:53:19.626 --> 00:53:24.406
Joshua: I wouldn't say that there's none, but there's definitely not a lot.
00:53:25.206 --> 00:53:29.246
Diego: I've seen him show more love for Bulma in a way than for Trunks.
00:53:29.746 --> 00:53:30.186
Joshua: Really?
00:53:30.686 --> 00:53:35.106
Diego: Yeah, dude went up against Beerus because he smacked Bulma.
00:53:36.806 --> 00:53:43.466
Diego: He almost went up a level of Super Saiyan because they smacked up his woman.
00:53:44.746 --> 00:53:44.946
Joshua: Dang.
00:53:46.426 --> 00:53:48.046
Diego: Vegeta does love Bulma, for sure.
00:53:48.106 --> 00:53:50.226
Diego: But Trunks, I don't know.
00:53:50.306 --> 00:53:50.906
Diego: Sorry, kid.
00:53:51.766 --> 00:53:55.926
Diego: Anyway, let's move away from Dragon Ball and talk a little bit about MHA.
00:53:57.526 --> 00:54:03.246
Joshua: Yeah, so MHA is, as some of you might know, good.
00:54:03.266 --> 00:54:05.266
Diego: Tis.
00:54:05.766 --> 00:54:08.186
Joshua: So, it's All Might and Deku.
00:54:08.966 --> 00:54:09.346
Diego: Yeah.
00:54:09.366 --> 00:54:11.166
Joshua: All Might and Deku.
00:54:11.166 --> 00:54:13.006
Joshua: Deku's dad is never really present.
00:54:13.506 --> 00:54:17.146
Joshua: There are some theories that all for one is his actual dad.
00:54:17.366 --> 00:54:18.086
Diego: Whoa, really?
00:54:18.326 --> 00:54:18.746
Joshua: Yeah.
00:54:19.346 --> 00:54:21.286
Diego: Well, I hadn't actually thought about that.
00:54:21.306 --> 00:54:22.046
Diego: He's not around.
00:54:22.066 --> 00:54:22.546
Diego: His dad.
00:54:22.566 --> 00:54:24.046
Joshua: Yeah, his dad is never around.
00:54:26.506 --> 00:54:28.606
Joshua: And it said specifically that he's not dead.
00:54:29.286 --> 00:54:29.726
Diego: Really?
00:54:29.786 --> 00:54:30.186
Joshua: Yeah.
00:54:30.206 --> 00:54:30.806
Diego: Who said that?
00:54:31.126 --> 00:54:31.886
Diego: What did they say?
00:54:31.926 --> 00:54:32.586
Joshua: In the show.
00:54:33.406 --> 00:54:34.186
Joshua: His mom said that.
00:54:34.526 --> 00:54:37.406
Diego: Oh, I always figured she was like, she was a widow or something.
00:54:37.586 --> 00:54:45.586
Joshua: Yeah, and so there's some theories because there's like, what's this called?
00:54:45.646 --> 00:54:48.646
Joshua: My Hero Academia is heavily inspired by Star Wars.
00:54:49.026 --> 00:54:51.666
Joshua: Like there's literally a place called Tatooine.
00:54:52.406 --> 00:54:52.766
Diego: Really?
00:54:54.306 --> 00:54:58.546
Joshua: And so there's like a bunch of theories that all for one is his real father.
00:54:58.706 --> 00:54:59.066
Diego: Yeah.
00:54:59.186 --> 00:55:01.646
Joshua: And that's why he's never around and stuff.
00:55:01.966 --> 00:55:02.366
Diego: Huh.
00:55:02.726 --> 00:55:04.106
Diego: Oh, that'd be interesting, man.
00:55:04.306 --> 00:55:04.726
Joshua: Yeah.
00:55:05.546 --> 00:55:06.226
Diego: Interesting.
00:55:08.226 --> 00:55:11.026
Diego: The main story hasn't finished in the manga, right?
00:55:11.626 --> 00:55:15.726
Joshua: It has not, but it's way ahead of the show at this point.
00:55:16.186 --> 00:55:18.346
Joshua: Like Deku has like five new quirks.
00:55:19.446 --> 00:55:22.686
Joshua: From like all the other past ancestors of one for all.
00:55:22.906 --> 00:55:23.486
Diego: That's cool.
00:55:23.986 --> 00:55:27.526
Diego: But yeah, in the meantime, All Might definitely kind of stepped in.
00:55:27.706 --> 00:55:28.086
Joshua: Yeah.
00:55:28.086 --> 00:55:30.026
Diego: You know, to be a father figure for him.
00:55:30.046 --> 00:55:34.966
Diego: And I feel like Deku probably feels that way, right?
00:55:34.986 --> 00:55:36.186
Diego: He feels him like that.
00:55:36.526 --> 00:55:36.866
Joshua: Yeah.
00:55:37.106 --> 00:55:38.706
Diego: I mean, he's protected him.
00:55:38.726 --> 00:55:40.346
Diego: He's stood up for him.
00:55:40.666 --> 00:55:41.506
Diego: He's tried to...
00:55:41.566 --> 00:55:43.486
Diego: He's taught him, spent time with him.
00:55:45.146 --> 00:55:50.006
Diego: He definitely didn't have to share, pass on his quirk to him.
00:55:50.346 --> 00:55:52.226
Joshua: He did not have to, I don't know.
00:55:52.346 --> 00:55:53.406
Diego: Yeah, but he did.
00:55:53.426 --> 00:55:56.506
Joshua: He kind of had to do it for somebody.
00:55:56.886 --> 00:55:57.646
Diego: He did, right.
00:55:57.666 --> 00:56:02.086
Diego: But I think one can argue that he could have given it to somebody who was already super powered, right?
00:56:02.206 --> 00:56:06.086
Joshua: Yeah, I mean, he said that he was thinking about giving it to Mirio.
00:56:06.546 --> 00:56:07.026
Diego: Oh, really?
00:56:07.966 --> 00:56:09.306
Diego: Oh, man, that would have made sense.
00:56:10.786 --> 00:56:11.846
Diego: A lot more sense.
00:56:12.206 --> 00:56:13.246
Joshua: Yeah.
00:56:13.266 --> 00:56:14.466
Diego: But yeah, anyway, that's it.
00:56:14.666 --> 00:56:21.766
Diego: I feel like it's a pretty sweet relationship because in the same way that, I don't know, who can I compare it to?
00:56:22.246 --> 00:56:23.166
Diego: Kind of like Piccolo.
00:56:23.566 --> 00:56:24.246
Joshua: Yeah.
00:56:24.906 --> 00:56:26.446
Diego: Because they're voiced by the same guy.
00:56:26.626 --> 00:56:29.766
Joshua: They are, and Vegeta, right?
00:56:30.426 --> 00:56:31.326
Diego: Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:56:31.366 --> 00:56:34.046
Joshua: Vegeta, I didn't know that Vegeta and Piccolo are voiced by the same guy.
00:56:34.386 --> 00:56:35.686
Diego: Yeah, I guess it's kind of...
00:56:36.266 --> 00:56:38.706
Diego: It's the difference between like, Hey, Goku!
00:56:38.726 --> 00:56:40.386
Diego: versus, Hey, Goku!
00:56:41.766 --> 00:56:48.066
Diego: But anyway, we've got another one that is actually biological father and child.
00:56:48.306 --> 00:56:53.006
Joshua: Yeah, we have Endeavor and Shota Todoroki.
00:56:53.426 --> 00:56:54.946
Joshua: This is a complicated one.
00:56:54.966 --> 00:57:04.866
Diego: Endeavor is right up there with like, Thanos, as far as, you know, not really deserving Father of the Year Awards.
00:57:04.866 --> 00:57:10.706
Joshua: I feel like parenting wise, he's kind of a little bit like, now he's like Vegeta.
00:57:10.726 --> 00:57:11.786
Diego: Yeah, actually more like Vegeta.
00:57:11.806 --> 00:57:12.906
Joshua: Now he's like Vegeta.
00:57:12.926 --> 00:57:13.306
Diego: Right.
00:57:13.526 --> 00:57:16.466
Joshua: Before, he was like horrible.
00:57:17.186 --> 00:57:20.246
Joshua: Now, he's only like a little bit bad.
00:57:20.366 --> 00:57:25.926
Diego: Yeah, and the implications with Endeavor are that like he's been physically abusive with like his wife and kids.
00:57:25.946 --> 00:57:28.966
Joshua: To like everybody in his family, except for like some of his kids.
00:57:29.006 --> 00:57:31.526
Diego: Yeah, so that's a tough one to get past.
00:57:31.686 --> 00:57:35.306
Joshua: Yeah, but he's getting better, and I always definitely get him better.
00:57:36.186 --> 00:57:44.646
Diego: And this is another one of those scenarios where like, it kind of like reminds me of Omni Man and Mark, but in reverse.
00:57:45.486 --> 00:57:51.066
Diego: Where he begins with like, you know, Todoroki being like, I don't want anything to do with this guy.
00:57:52.346 --> 00:57:55.426
Diego: But then clearly Endeavor has been evolving.
00:57:55.986 --> 00:57:56.426
Joshua: Yeah.
00:57:56.446 --> 00:58:02.846
Diego: You know, his heart has been softening, and he's starting to like deal probably with like the guilt of his abuse towards his family.
00:58:03.746 --> 00:58:13.106
Diego: And so like now that he's the number one, you have this conflict of like, you know, but here he is, he really is a hero, you know, so.
00:58:13.106 --> 00:58:14.746
Joshua: Yes, he's actually a hero now.
00:58:14.766 --> 00:58:19.666
Joshua: Like people actually are kind of scared of the fact that he's like talking to people.
00:58:19.706 --> 00:58:20.226
Diego: Right.
00:58:21.006 --> 00:58:35.966
Diego: And it really is like even like us as fans, for me as a fan, when I started seeing him actually acting heroic and like wondering to himself, how do I fit this role of a symbol of hope that All Might has been?
00:58:37.126 --> 00:58:42.846
Diego: And you see him actually making an effort and then you see him like actually going all out in battles and stuff and like risking his life.
00:58:42.866 --> 00:58:44.746
Diego: It's like really, it's been really impressive.
00:58:44.906 --> 00:58:50.346
Joshua: Also, you can see that he's actually starting to care a little bit about...
00:58:53.026 --> 00:58:54.206
Joshua: No, what's his name?
00:58:54.906 --> 00:58:56.066
Joshua: I forgot, Dobby.
00:58:56.246 --> 00:58:57.186
Joshua: What's this guy's name?
00:58:58.626 --> 00:58:59.006
Diego: Dobby?
00:58:59.766 --> 00:59:01.606
Joshua: Dobby's name before he was Dobby.
00:59:01.726 --> 00:59:02.326
Joshua: I forget.
00:59:04.206 --> 00:59:08.466
Joshua: But like Dobby, it's like official that he was a member of the family and all that.
00:59:09.166 --> 00:59:12.406
Joshua: And so people are like...
00:59:13.366 --> 00:59:19.846
Joshua: Endeavor is actually starting to care about Dobby before he was Dobby.
00:59:20.506 --> 00:59:37.966
Joshua: And like he's starting to wonder and stuff, and he's like actually sorry for what he did to him and how he gave him black hair by physical abuse and training him so hard that he burned him.
00:59:38.606 --> 00:59:39.746
Joshua: Yikes, really?
00:59:39.766 --> 00:59:42.786
Joshua: And that's why he needs staples on his skin, Dobby.
00:59:43.086 --> 00:59:43.746
Joshua: What?
00:59:43.946 --> 00:59:44.386
Joshua: Yeah.
00:59:44.546 --> 00:59:45.546
Diego: Damn, it's dark.
00:59:46.006 --> 00:59:46.366
Joshua: Yeah.
00:59:46.826 --> 00:59:49.046
Diego: Wait, have I missed that episode of the show or something?
00:59:49.306 --> 00:59:53.426
Joshua: No, no, they revealed it in the manga, but it's kind of common knowledge now.
00:59:54.706 --> 00:59:56.306
Diego: Wow, damn, that's dark.
00:59:56.686 --> 00:59:57.526
Diego: Yeah.
00:59:57.546 --> 01:00:00.826
Diego: But anyway, yeah, there you go, Endeavor and Todoroki.
01:00:00.846 --> 01:00:05.086
Diego: And there is one more father figure relationship that's starting to emerge.
01:00:05.346 --> 01:00:12.726
Joshua: Yeah, Aizawa and Eri, they haven't shown too much of it on screen, but we know that Aizawa is kind of taking care of Eri now.
01:00:13.386 --> 01:00:19.126
Joshua: So there's definitely going to be some stuff that's going to be coming up in the new season or something.
01:00:19.246 --> 01:00:19.946
Diego: That's pretty cool.
01:00:20.006 --> 01:00:20.726
Diego: That's interesting.
01:00:20.786 --> 01:00:24.726
Diego: I mean, anything to evolve the character of Aizawa.
01:00:25.266 --> 01:00:25.826
Joshua: Yeah.
01:00:25.846 --> 01:00:28.206
Diego: He's actually, to me, he's a very interesting character.
01:00:28.826 --> 01:00:31.166
Joshua: We met, I was there.
01:00:31.386 --> 01:00:32.086
Joshua: We saw him.
01:00:32.206 --> 01:00:33.466
Joshua: His voice actor there.
01:00:33.486 --> 01:00:37.406
Diego: We met the voice actor over at Megacom for him and for...
01:00:37.686 --> 01:00:38.166
Joshua: Dobby's.
01:00:38.326 --> 01:00:39.266
Diego: And for Dobby, yeah.
01:00:39.586 --> 01:00:40.706
Joshua: I was so close.
01:00:40.726 --> 01:00:43.706
Joshua: I was one person away from asking him a question.
01:00:43.826 --> 01:00:44.526
Diego: Oh, man.
01:00:44.946 --> 01:00:48.246
Diego: That's why I'm so glad that you got to talk to Sean Chameleon.
01:00:48.326 --> 01:00:48.646
Joshua: Yeah.
01:00:48.726 --> 01:00:50.146
Diego: Yeah, that was really cool, man.
01:00:50.166 --> 01:00:51.346
Joshua: It's on their YouTube.
01:00:51.626 --> 01:00:52.306
Diego: Yes, it is.
01:00:52.326 --> 01:00:52.986
Diego: Go check it out.
01:00:53.686 --> 01:00:55.046
Diego: All right.
01:00:56.366 --> 01:01:02.986
Diego: The next half of the anime list is really like on you because these are...
01:01:04.746 --> 01:01:05.746
Diego: So dive into it.
01:01:05.766 --> 01:01:07.966
Diego: Let's start off with the world of Naruto.
01:01:08.506 --> 01:01:08.886
Joshua: Okay.
01:01:09.786 --> 01:01:10.346
Joshua: Naruto.
01:01:10.386 --> 01:01:11.626
Joshua: Naruto and Boruto.
01:01:11.986 --> 01:01:13.926
Joshua: I'm going to be honest, Boruto is kind of bad.
01:01:15.026 --> 01:01:16.326
Joshua: Like the show is bad.
01:01:16.626 --> 01:01:17.226
Diego: Oh, really?
01:01:17.406 --> 01:01:17.826
Joshua: Yeah.
01:01:18.526 --> 01:01:20.746
Joshua: I mean, a lot of people think that, including myself.
01:01:21.066 --> 01:01:21.386
Diego: Huh.
01:01:22.446 --> 01:01:27.966
Joshua: But Naruto and Boruto is an interesting relationship because Naruto doesn't seem to...
01:01:29.626 --> 01:01:31.666
Joshua: I mean, he obviously loves his kids.
01:01:31.686 --> 01:01:32.546
Joshua: Yes, he has two.
01:01:33.246 --> 01:01:34.266
Joshua: Boruto and Himawari.
01:01:35.086 --> 01:01:38.726
Joshua: And he seems to care.
01:01:39.126 --> 01:01:40.026
Joshua: He's two...
01:01:41.346 --> 01:01:50.166
Joshua: His hokage duties as the leader of the village are a really big burden, so he doesn't have that much time to actually...
01:01:50.566 --> 01:01:51.466
Joshua: Kind of like Goku.
01:01:52.286 --> 01:01:56.526
Joshua: He doesn't have that much time to like spend time with his kids and all that and stuff.
01:01:56.846 --> 01:02:02.606
Joshua: So like whenever he gets home from all of his hokage duties, he like always just like passes out and stuff.
01:02:03.186 --> 01:02:11.666
Diego: That seems to be actually a very common trait with fathers in the traditional Japanese culture.
01:02:11.826 --> 01:02:12.226
Joshua: Yeah.
01:02:12.366 --> 01:02:21.386
Diego: There's like a really strong sense of that the father, the head of the household is supposed to be fully dedicated and submerged in work to supply for his family.
01:02:21.686 --> 01:02:25.106
Diego: But that results in like fathers not being present, you know, for his kids.
01:02:25.266 --> 01:02:25.586
Joshua: Yeah.
01:02:27.086 --> 01:02:28.306
Joshua: Minato and Naruto.
01:02:28.326 --> 01:02:29.946
Joshua: Minato is Naruto's dad.
01:02:30.886 --> 01:02:33.566
Joshua: And so this is actually kind of sad.
01:02:33.666 --> 01:02:34.466
Diego: When do you meet him?
01:02:35.066 --> 01:02:35.906
Diego: When do you meet him?
01:02:36.686 --> 01:02:39.566
Joshua: In the second show, Naruto Shippuden.
01:02:40.726 --> 01:02:43.686
Joshua: He like gets reanimated.
01:02:44.566 --> 01:02:45.246
Diego: Oh, he had died?
01:02:45.726 --> 01:02:46.146
Joshua: Oh, yeah.
01:02:48.686 --> 01:02:50.786
Joshua: He died fighting the nine-tailed fox.
01:02:51.086 --> 01:02:53.366
Joshua: Oh, damn.
01:02:54.126 --> 01:02:56.226
Joshua: In sealing the nine-tailed fox into Naruto.
01:02:56.566 --> 01:02:57.486
Diego: Oh, that's what he did?
01:02:57.586 --> 01:02:57.986
Joshua: Yeah.
01:02:58.506 --> 01:03:00.586
Joshua: That's why Naruto has a spirit.
01:03:00.866 --> 01:03:01.326
Diego: Oh, wow.
01:03:01.446 --> 01:03:02.966
Joshua: And so it's kind of like...
01:03:02.986 --> 01:03:04.206
Diego: So his dad was a warrior, too?
01:03:04.626 --> 01:03:07.906
Joshua: Yeah, his dad was actually one of the Hokages before Naruto was.
01:03:08.066 --> 01:03:09.086
Diego: Oh, cool.
01:03:09.106 --> 01:03:10.326
Joshua: One of the leaders of the village.
01:03:12.426 --> 01:03:17.606
Joshua: And so I saw it and it was like Kakashi's dad.
01:03:18.246 --> 01:03:24.026
Joshua: It was like he kind of like died before he could ever really like take that much care of Kakashi.
01:03:24.786 --> 01:03:32.546
Joshua: And then Naruto's dad, he sealed a nine-tailed demon spirit inside of his son and then committed suicide.
01:03:33.046 --> 01:03:33.506
Diego: Wow.
01:03:33.586 --> 01:03:37.826
Joshua: Well, I mean, like, he basically made himself die.
01:03:39.306 --> 01:03:46.046
Joshua: Yeah, and he didn't take care of his son that much until he finally like met his son when he got reanimated.
01:03:46.786 --> 01:03:48.446
Joshua: And then, yeah, a lot of-
01:03:48.466 --> 01:03:50.426
Diego: Does it come back as villain, hero, or what?
01:03:50.446 --> 01:03:50.806
Joshua: Hero.
01:03:50.966 --> 01:03:54.066
Joshua: They were, it was in the war arc, I believe.
01:03:54.346 --> 01:03:54.666
Diego: Okay.
01:03:54.786 --> 01:04:02.406
Joshua: Where there was like a big, huge war between like all the nations against this one villain and stuff, and it was like a big thing.
01:04:03.086 --> 01:04:05.266
Joshua: So yeah, that's, yeah.
01:04:05.406 --> 01:04:11.486
Diego: So is there ever like a reconciliation as far as like, you know, father-son, or is that not even touchstone?
01:04:12.906 --> 01:04:13.246
Joshua: I guess-
01:04:13.266 --> 01:04:15.846
Diego: Is Naru too angry at him, anything?
01:04:15.866 --> 01:04:20.706
Joshua: He kind of was at the beginning, but they kind of, you know.
01:04:20.786 --> 01:04:25.786
Diego: Because I imagine if you discover that there's a demon entity that I hid within you.
01:04:26.286 --> 01:04:26.726
Joshua: Yeah.
01:04:26.746 --> 01:04:30.946
Diego: Trapped inside you, you're probably, at some point, you're going to get kind of angry at me.
01:04:33.526 --> 01:04:35.966
Joshua: So that's Naruto and Naruto.
01:04:36.646 --> 01:04:40.826
Joshua: The next one is definitely more wholesome.
01:04:42.086 --> 01:04:44.146
Joshua: It's Kakashi and Team 7.
01:04:44.266 --> 01:04:48.506
Joshua: Kakashi and Naruto and Sakura and Sasuke.
01:04:48.866 --> 01:04:51.486
Joshua: I remember we started watching Naruto together.
01:04:52.046 --> 01:04:56.386
Joshua: And we got it to like the part where they were doing like the exam things.
01:04:56.466 --> 01:04:57.306
Diego: Yeah, I remember that.
01:05:00.466 --> 01:05:01.426
Diego: Is Kakashi...
01:05:01.526 --> 01:05:06.606
Diego: No, Kakashi is like more important to them than like Aizawa is as their teacher in MHA, right?
01:05:07.166 --> 01:05:07.626
Joshua: He's...
01:05:09.566 --> 01:05:10.006
Joshua: Yeah.
01:05:10.386 --> 01:05:14.706
Joshua: He's a bit more important because Kakashi actually like goes on missions with them.
01:05:14.726 --> 01:05:15.666
Diego: Okay, yeah.
01:05:15.686 --> 01:05:16.126
Joshua: And stuff.
01:05:16.706 --> 01:05:20.646
Joshua: So I love Kakashi, one of my favorite characters in all anime.
01:05:21.606 --> 01:05:26.126
Joshua: So he kind of became one of their father figures when...
01:05:26.586 --> 01:05:29.926
Joshua: After, because first of all, Nartle doesn't have any parents.
01:05:31.146 --> 01:05:35.786
Joshua: And then Sasuke doesn't have any parents because his brother murders his whole clan.
01:05:36.706 --> 01:05:37.266
Joshua: And so...
01:05:37.366 --> 01:05:39.546
Joshua: And Sakura has parents, but like they don't really matter.
01:05:39.746 --> 01:05:40.146
Joshua: They don't...
01:05:40.566 --> 01:05:41.446
Joshua: They don't care either.
01:05:43.226 --> 01:05:47.506
Joshua: And so Kakashi had to kind of like take on this like fatherly...
01:05:48.106 --> 01:05:49.806
Joshua: Fatherly figure for them.
01:05:49.906 --> 01:05:50.286
Diego: Right.
01:05:50.546 --> 01:05:51.586
Joshua: And he like...
01:05:51.606 --> 01:05:52.906
Joshua: He cares about them a lot.
01:05:53.646 --> 01:05:56.486
Joshua: And especially as it goes on, you see that more and more and more.
01:05:57.806 --> 01:05:59.946
Joshua: So it's a really interesting relationship.
01:06:00.546 --> 01:06:02.026
Joshua: And it's pretty fun too.
01:06:02.086 --> 01:06:03.466
Joshua: He's actually pretty funny.
01:06:05.326 --> 01:06:08.246
Diego: So let's hop into where we're going now.
01:06:08.986 --> 01:06:11.106
Joshua: Madara and Obito.
01:06:11.886 --> 01:06:13.646
Joshua: This is still Naruto, by the way.
01:06:14.046 --> 01:06:14.446
Diego: Okay.
01:06:16.346 --> 01:06:23.486
Joshua: And I feel like this is definitely one of those like Silco and Jinx type things.
01:06:24.286 --> 01:06:28.046
Joshua: Where like they, he kind of turned him evil.
01:06:29.186 --> 01:06:38.446
Joshua: And so Obito, just to like put it into a whole, like just to put into like bite-sized story, he got crushed by a boulder.
01:06:39.406 --> 01:06:47.726
Joshua: And so Madara found him and kind of like raised him and like rehabilitated him or whatever.
01:06:48.626 --> 01:06:50.286
Joshua: And made him like fine again.
01:06:50.666 --> 01:06:53.086
Joshua: And he did this for like a couple years.
01:06:53.666 --> 01:07:00.226
Joshua: And then Obito was actually on a team with Kakashi before he got crushed by the boulder.
01:07:00.766 --> 01:07:03.746
Joshua: And so the whole thing like Madara was like raising him and all that.
01:07:04.306 --> 01:07:09.246
Joshua: And then Obito, Madara told Obito that Kakashi was in trouble.
01:07:09.906 --> 01:07:11.986
Diego: There's also a Kakashi in this?
01:07:13.026 --> 01:07:14.086
Joshua: Yeah, it's the same Kakashi.
01:07:15.486 --> 01:07:17.566
Diego: Oh, Madara and Obito are also from Naruto?
01:07:17.586 --> 01:07:18.806
Joshua: Yeah, this is Naruto still.
01:07:20.566 --> 01:07:31.906
Joshua: And so basically Obito like went over and then he saw Kakashi like killing his crush because like she forced him to do it.
01:07:31.926 --> 01:07:32.846
Joshua: It's complicated.
01:07:32.866 --> 01:07:34.126
Diego: Sounds like it.
01:07:34.306 --> 01:07:34.726
Joshua: Yeah.
01:07:35.066 --> 01:07:41.206
Joshua: But then the real thing that happened, like the end of that relationship is in the whole war arc.
01:07:41.486 --> 01:07:41.826
Diego: Right.
01:07:43.046 --> 01:07:54.866
Joshua: And it's where Madara is like kind of like trying to like take over and like gain all the chakra from everybody with the whole infinite Tsukuyomi thing.
01:07:55.346 --> 01:08:08.826
Joshua: And basically Obito, well, another character kills Madara, and then Madara, the whole thing gets like lifted, but then Obito actually sacrifices himself.
01:08:09.646 --> 01:08:12.946
Joshua: For because he turned good again, which was kind of random.
01:08:13.726 --> 01:08:20.126
Joshua: But because Naruto, whenever Naruto talks to somebody in the Naruto universe, he always just like turns them good again.
01:08:20.146 --> 01:08:21.946
Joshua: He uses like talking to do to thing.
01:08:22.786 --> 01:08:26.006
Joshua: And yeah, he has some kind of mystical superpowers.
01:08:27.106 --> 01:08:29.486
Joshua: But yeah, Obito got redeemed and all that.
01:08:29.486 --> 01:08:32.526
Joshua: It's a really interesting story, but it's kind of hard to explain.
01:08:32.546 --> 01:08:38.326
Diego: I mean, it's a reason why to explain to you multiple episodes.
01:08:40.906 --> 01:08:44.606
Diego: And the last stop within the anime list is from the world of Attack on Titan.
01:08:45.246 --> 01:08:48.166
Joshua: Yes, I'm getting nervous.
01:08:48.186 --> 01:08:49.226
Joshua: I'm getting stage fright.
01:08:50.046 --> 01:08:50.406
Diego: Why?
01:08:50.426 --> 01:08:56.166
Joshua: I'm having to like do like a whole stand up thing over here by myself.
01:08:56.586 --> 01:08:57.306
Diego: I believe in you.
01:08:57.466 --> 01:08:58.746
Joshua: So Grisha and Aaron.
01:08:59.066 --> 01:09:02.226
Joshua: Aaron, you are a very good father.
01:09:04.826 --> 01:09:07.106
Diego: Yeah, no abuse here.
01:09:07.126 --> 01:09:08.946
Joshua: Oh, well, well.
01:09:11.526 --> 01:09:12.666
Diego: By the way, I owe you.
01:09:12.846 --> 01:09:13.766
Diego: I like your cut.
01:09:14.366 --> 01:09:14.926
Joshua: Oh, God.
01:09:15.906 --> 01:09:18.906
Diego: I told you I was going to charge it from you on Father's Day.
01:09:18.926 --> 01:09:21.026
Diego: So praise yourself, son.
01:09:21.926 --> 01:09:23.466
Joshua: So Grisha and Aaron.
01:09:25.126 --> 01:09:29.246
Joshua: There's so much like mispronunciation in the Attack on Titan community.
01:09:29.686 --> 01:09:32.686
Joshua: People pronounce names so much so differently.
01:09:33.286 --> 01:09:35.926
Joshua: But I'm just going to say Grisha because that's how I like to say it.
01:09:36.546 --> 01:09:38.666
Joshua: So Grisha is Aaron's father.
01:09:39.386 --> 01:09:44.346
Joshua: And Aaron actually like, you know, he was like kind of the main character in the first three seasons.
01:09:45.466 --> 01:09:51.386
Joshua: And it's interesting because for Aaron, Grisha actually took like a lot of care.
01:09:51.406 --> 01:09:54.826
Joshua: He cared a lot about Aaron and he cared a lot about his family and all that.
01:09:55.646 --> 01:10:00.966
Joshua: And so it was kind of like the day that the kingdom got attacked.
01:10:01.986 --> 01:10:08.786
Joshua: Grisha, he like killed a whole family to get a Titan powers.
01:10:09.506 --> 01:10:17.446
Joshua: And so then he forced Aaron to eat him so that he could get those Titan powers.
01:10:18.926 --> 01:10:20.646
Diego: Wow, that all sounds extremely weird.
01:10:20.726 --> 01:10:21.126
Joshua: Yeah.
01:10:21.146 --> 01:10:24.766
Diego: And this is why I don't watch Attack on Titan.
01:10:24.906 --> 01:10:27.366
Diego: So he's not a good father figure.
01:10:28.946 --> 01:10:34.386
Joshua: He was kind of a good father to Aaron until that point in his life.
01:10:35.546 --> 01:10:41.866
Joshua: And then with Zeke, his other son, he didn't really care that much about Zeke.
01:10:42.286 --> 01:11:01.766
Joshua: And the reason that he was trying to spend so much time with Aaron and the rest of his family was because he learned his mistakes from not really caring that much about Zeke because Zeke actually sold him out to the government because he was doing secret stuff that is too complicated for me to get into right now.
01:11:02.026 --> 01:11:08.686
Joshua: And so he sold him out, and then he realized, oh, I should actually care about my children if I ever have any other again.
01:11:09.446 --> 01:11:15.566
Joshua: And so they exiled him, and then he got sent to the place where Aaron was born.
01:11:16.586 --> 01:11:17.906
Joshua: And then he had that whole family.
01:11:18.186 --> 01:11:20.306
Joshua: And yeah, it's a whole thing.
01:11:20.386 --> 01:11:22.846
Joshua: He's trying to learn from his mistakes and all that.
01:11:24.106 --> 01:11:25.446
Joshua: Yeah, yeah, Grisha.
01:11:25.766 --> 01:11:29.006
Diego: So is there any redemption for the character by the end of the thing?
01:11:33.066 --> 01:11:33.306
Joshua: I...
01:11:35.346 --> 01:11:36.606
Diego: Is that enough to redeem?
01:11:36.726 --> 01:11:37.586
Joshua: Not enough.
01:11:37.686 --> 01:11:38.526
Joshua: Yeah, not enough.
01:11:38.786 --> 01:11:39.106
Diego: Right.
01:11:39.726 --> 01:11:41.406
Diego: Yeah, there's a lot of characters like that.
01:11:41.666 --> 01:11:43.446
Joshua: Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.
01:11:43.886 --> 01:11:49.166
Diego: Yeah, Jesus, man, you really did a whole recap of the whole storyline.
01:11:49.186 --> 01:11:50.586
Joshua: What was I supposed to do?
01:11:50.666 --> 01:11:52.806
Joshua: You didn't know anything about these topics.
01:11:52.826 --> 01:11:53.546
Diego: That's true.
01:11:53.566 --> 01:11:54.366
Diego: You've learned to me.
01:11:54.446 --> 01:11:54.886
Diego: Thank you.
01:11:55.826 --> 01:11:58.006
Diego: Now we're hopping into a completely different world.
01:11:58.246 --> 01:11:58.926
Joshua: Wrestling.
01:11:59.046 --> 01:12:00.486
Diego: Yeah, that's the world of wrestling.
01:12:01.266 --> 01:12:03.086
Diego: So, wrestling is definitely...
01:12:03.106 --> 01:12:08.026
Diego: Like, these people are quite literally putting their bodies in harm's way to entertain people.
01:12:08.046 --> 01:12:11.506
Diego: So, there's a very real element of the physicality to wrestling.
01:12:12.126 --> 01:12:24.286
Diego: But there is, of course, it's no longer a mystery that wrestling is scripted, the storylines are scripted, even the series of moves that are going to happen within a match, as real as the moves might be in some cases, are all scripted.
01:12:24.866 --> 01:12:25.326
Joshua: Are they?
01:12:25.506 --> 01:12:26.926
Joshua: Yeah, absolutely.
01:12:27.226 --> 01:12:38.526
Joshua: You told me that they just kind of like, they give them the big points for the script, but then the rest of the actual fight is kind of improv.
01:12:38.646 --> 01:12:39.426
Diego: Not exactly.
01:12:39.446 --> 01:12:45.446
Diego: Well, it's improv in the sense that as they're in the ring, they're communicating with each other, the two wrestlers.
01:12:46.046 --> 01:12:50.906
Diego: And so they're telling each other, you know, like, for example, let's say one of them slimes the other one down on the mat.
01:12:51.246 --> 01:12:56.546
Diego: While they're down on the mat and the one is like in pain or whatever, they're talking to each other.
01:12:56.566 --> 01:13:02.006
Diego: While they're trying to pin each one, they're trying to pin the other, they're communicating, like kind of whispering to each other.
01:13:02.026 --> 01:13:06.126
Diego: And being like, okay, you get up, you know, go bounce off the ropes and hit me with a suplex.
01:13:06.766 --> 01:13:07.386
Diego: That sort of thing.
01:13:07.586 --> 01:13:12.166
Joshua: How do you bounce off the ropes and do a suplex on someone?
01:13:12.346 --> 01:13:13.886
Diego: They've managed to do it many times.
01:13:17.526 --> 01:13:24.466
Diego: Anyway, the point is that storytelling is an element within wrestling, you know, within professional wrestling.
01:13:24.486 --> 01:13:40.046
Diego: And so within those storylines, there have been multi-generational people, you know, wrestlers, who have, their fathers have wrestled before them, or grandfathers, or uncles, or whatever, and they have continued on that legacy.
01:13:40.566 --> 01:13:45.866
Diego: In most cases, though, they kind of build their own legacy and spin off and do their own thing.
01:13:46.306 --> 01:13:46.586
Joshua: Yeah.
01:13:46.806 --> 01:13:52.866
Diego: But in some cases, the storylines continue to kind of like intertwine between father and children.
01:13:53.446 --> 01:13:56.946
Diego: And there's a couple of these that I feel are really important to mention.
01:13:56.966 --> 01:14:10.346
Diego: Number one, one that has, like, I feel has really stuck to the nature of the father, and that is the Ric Flair and Charlotte Flair connection.
01:14:11.206 --> 01:14:13.666
Diego: These are, you know, father and daughter in real life.
01:14:15.186 --> 01:14:23.966
Joshua: Yeah, you had me confused there because you were like the whole, you were saying like the whole dynamic with them being father and daughter in WWE and the storyline.
01:14:24.186 --> 01:14:26.126
Joshua: I was like, wait, they aren't father and daughter?
01:14:26.146 --> 01:14:34.626
Diego: Well, you know, they have their real relationship off camera, but then there's a fictionalized version of their relationship as well, you know, as father and daughter.
01:14:36.946 --> 01:14:39.746
Diego: Charlotte isn't even her real name, for example, right?
01:14:39.766 --> 01:14:42.226
Diego: Is Rick his real name?
01:14:42.246 --> 01:14:43.526
Diego: I think Rick is his real name.
01:14:43.926 --> 01:14:49.686
Diego: But Rick Flair relates to her on camera as Charlotte, and he talks about her as Charlotte.
01:14:49.706 --> 01:14:53.346
Diego: And if he's being interviewed and it's a kayfabe interview, then he's talking about it.
01:14:53.766 --> 01:14:58.726
Diego: He's referring to her as Charlotte, so they're in character most of the time.
01:14:59.306 --> 01:15:11.426
Diego: And within the world of being in character in kayfabe, Charlotte is, she has done an incredible job of like carrying on her father's legacy, her fictional father's legacy.
01:15:11.886 --> 01:15:16.146
Diego: She really has carried forth the swagger that he's had.
01:15:16.146 --> 01:15:17.306
Joshua: What's kayfabe?
01:15:17.606 --> 01:15:22.206
Diego: Kayfabe is a term in wrestling used to describe that element of fiction.
01:15:23.066 --> 01:15:27.706
Diego: So if you're giving a kayfabe interview, that means that you're doing it in character, right?
01:15:28.366 --> 01:15:31.046
Diego: Like you're not talking as the real you.
01:15:33.486 --> 01:15:41.686
Diego: Even to the point of like her entrance song has remained, I think up to this point, has remained kind of like a remakes version of his entrance song.
01:15:42.046 --> 01:15:53.086
Diego: Her clothing, her ring gear, is very much like a female version of Ric Flair's ring gear, the cockiness, the arrogance, all of that.
01:15:53.186 --> 01:15:59.206
Diego: And the fact that she is at her best when she's playing a heel, when she's a heel character, like a villain.
01:15:59.426 --> 01:16:00.546
Joshua: Has she ever played a...
01:16:00.946 --> 01:16:02.726
Diego: Oh yeah, she's been a babyface for sure.
01:16:03.326 --> 01:16:05.846
Diego: But her best work is as a heel, without a doubt.
01:16:05.886 --> 01:16:07.346
Diego: And the same thing as her father.
01:16:07.726 --> 01:16:10.646
Diego: Ric Flair's best work is as a heel, without a doubt.
01:16:11.166 --> 01:16:12.326
Joshua: Why do they call it heels?
01:16:12.366 --> 01:16:13.446
Joshua: I still don't get that.
01:16:13.466 --> 01:16:14.466
Diego: It's a heel turn.
01:16:14.486 --> 01:16:15.786
Diego: It comes from the word heel turn.
01:16:16.446 --> 01:16:20.206
Diego: So you're turning your character from being one thing to being the opposite.
01:16:20.566 --> 01:16:25.146
Diego: And so it's like if you get on your heels, you do a little pivot, you know, and turn on your heels.
01:16:25.466 --> 01:16:26.446
Diego: So it's a heel turn.
01:16:28.046 --> 01:16:34.526
Diego: So anyway, yeah, this one is by far one of the best that I've seen, and it just continues on, and there's no reason to stop it.
01:16:34.626 --> 01:16:40.806
Diego: She is a female version of Ric Flair, and even more improved for this time, for this day and time.
01:16:42.126 --> 01:16:44.786
Diego: And people love to hate her, as you're supposed to do with most heels.
01:16:46.126 --> 01:16:52.066
Diego: Another one that's like awesome, but in very different ways is Dusty.
01:16:52.486 --> 01:16:54.586
Diego: Dusty and his kids, Dustin and Cody.
01:16:55.486 --> 01:16:56.806
Diego: So Dusty Rhodes.
01:16:57.146 --> 01:16:58.146
Joshua: Oh, Dusty Rhodes.
01:16:59.366 --> 01:17:01.606
Diego: The American dream, Dusty Rhodes.
01:17:01.726 --> 01:17:04.166
Diego: One of the old school wrestlers.
01:17:04.186 --> 01:17:06.086
Diego: This guy wasn't a buff guy.
01:17:06.106 --> 01:17:14.766
Diego: He was always kind of like a chubby guy, and he had this polka dot kind of suit on, and he had this very flamboyant personality and stuff.
01:17:14.786 --> 01:17:18.266
Diego: And he became behind the scenes after he retired from wrestling in the ring.
01:17:19.126 --> 01:17:34.546
Diego: Behind the scenes, he became this just monumentally important father figure, training, mentor figure, to countless amounts of wrestlers throughout the years.
01:17:34.986 --> 01:17:36.046
Diego: All behind the scenes.
01:17:36.706 --> 01:17:44.206
Diego: Now we hear about it, because there's so much interview going on, showing non-K-Fabe, real interviews.
01:17:44.826 --> 01:17:49.506
Diego: There's so much being told now about what was happening behind the scenes for all these decades.
01:17:49.926 --> 01:17:54.966
Diego: And there's wrestlers, there's countless wrestlers talking about how instrumental Dusty Rhodes was for them.
01:17:55.366 --> 01:17:57.606
Diego: But he has two real life kids.
01:17:58.606 --> 01:18:04.466
Diego: And those are Dustin Rhodes, who is much better known as Goldust.
01:18:04.866 --> 01:18:06.706
Joshua: Oh yeah, he was Goldust.
01:18:06.966 --> 01:18:14.846
Diego: And so he was a child that he had and was not really present for.
01:18:15.186 --> 01:18:15.466
Joshua: Really?
01:18:15.746 --> 01:18:18.346
Diego: Yeah, this was like during the, you know, he had them.
01:18:18.366 --> 01:18:19.166
Diego: He was a Dusty.
01:18:19.186 --> 01:18:22.846
Diego: Dustin was like a kid while he was in the height of his career.
01:18:23.226 --> 01:18:28.646
Diego: So much like some other fathers that we've talked about, that they didn't have time for their kids because of their responsibilities.
01:18:28.866 --> 01:18:29.226
Joshua: Yeah.
01:18:29.246 --> 01:18:30.346
Diego: This is another case of that.
01:18:30.346 --> 01:18:33.846
Diego: And so there was like this distance between him and Dustin.
01:18:34.606 --> 01:18:40.386
Diego: But still, those who were in the know of the wrestling world knew that that was Dusty Rhodes kid, you know?
01:18:40.406 --> 01:18:40.666
Joshua: Yeah.
01:18:41.066 --> 01:18:43.146
Diego: But then comes Cody Rhodes.
01:18:43.506 --> 01:18:50.126
Diego: And Cody, he actually raised and was much more involvement because he was already like retired from wrestling.
01:18:50.146 --> 01:18:51.206
Joshua: Was Cody a wrestler?
01:18:51.386 --> 01:18:52.206
Joshua: Wait, was he?
01:18:53.186 --> 01:18:54.126
Diego: Heck yeah, he was.
01:18:54.226 --> 01:18:55.226
Diego: Remember Stardust?
01:18:55.706 --> 01:18:57.106
Joshua: Yeah, that's who I thought he was.
01:18:57.686 --> 01:18:58.886
Joshua: Both of them are Dusts.
01:19:00.626 --> 01:19:05.806
Diego: And so like the interesting thing, which by the way comes from Dusty Rhodes, their dad.
01:19:07.186 --> 01:19:07.486
Joshua: Oh.
01:19:07.506 --> 01:19:09.166
Diego: Gold Dust, Stardust.
01:19:10.826 --> 01:19:11.086
Joshua: Oh.
01:19:11.666 --> 01:19:12.286
Diego: It's crazy.
01:19:13.546 --> 01:19:24.086
Diego: And so like, yeah, so Cody Rhodes, the younger brother of Dustin Rhodes and the youngest son of Dusty Rhodes, you know, he grows up and he gets into the business as well.
01:19:24.486 --> 01:19:29.706
Diego: Within the WWE, he's like, he doesn't like what's being done for his character and stuff.
01:19:29.726 --> 01:19:30.986
Diego: They turn him into Stardust.
01:19:31.006 --> 01:19:38.086
Diego: He hates that character, and he wants to do his own thing, but they don't let him, and eventually he ends up leaving the WWE.
01:19:38.286 --> 01:19:42.746
Joshua: And he did, didn't he make another thing?
01:19:42.766 --> 01:19:44.286
Diego: He did, yeah.
01:19:44.426 --> 01:19:46.546
Diego: He went off and created AEW.
01:19:47.526 --> 01:19:55.046
Diego: All of the wrestling with a few other independent wrestlers, and they made this thing into the top competitor for the WWE.
01:19:55.066 --> 01:20:01.206
Diego: Like, they did an incredible job, but the craziest thing is he returned to the WWE recently.
01:20:01.226 --> 01:20:01.726
Joshua: Wait, really?
01:20:04.266 --> 01:20:22.746
Diego: Yes, and he proved himself to such a degree that he was able to require a contract where he could retain his name, the exact same branding, in-ring name, entrance music, everything is his, and the WWE can't touch it.
01:20:22.766 --> 01:20:24.786
Diego: And when he leaves the WWE, they can't retain it.
01:20:25.086 --> 01:20:26.366
Joshua: So who is he?
01:20:26.386 --> 01:20:27.626
Joshua: Is he just going to be Cody Rhodes?
01:20:27.666 --> 01:20:28.586
Diego: He's Cody Rhodes.
01:20:28.606 --> 01:20:38.306
Diego: He's been known as Cody for the longest time in the independent circle, and he created a persona for himself, which was the American nightmare.
01:20:38.706 --> 01:20:41.306
Diego: His dad, Dusty Rhodes, was the American dream.
01:20:41.766 --> 01:20:42.526
Joshua: That's so cool.
01:20:42.946 --> 01:20:44.226
Diego: So cool, man.
01:20:44.306 --> 01:20:46.106
Diego: I freaking love what he did with that.
01:20:47.746 --> 01:20:59.026
Diego: And then also when he let, when Dustin Rhodes, Goldust, when he left the WWE finally, he went and joined Cody in AW.
01:20:59.486 --> 01:21:04.806
Diego: And they had this little, this rivalry that concluded in a match that was like no holds barred.
01:21:05.406 --> 01:21:07.866
Diego: These two got themselves bloody, bro.
01:21:08.486 --> 01:21:10.746
Diego: Like crazy bloody.
01:21:10.766 --> 01:21:16.006
Diego: And at the end, like it was this emotional embrace between these two brothers, because they didn't grow up together, remember?
01:21:16.386 --> 01:21:18.886
Diego: So there was like this bit of friction there.
01:21:19.766 --> 01:21:36.486
Diego: And, but it's, to me, it's incredible how these two guys have like paid homage to their father and carried on their father's legacy without having the most amount of help from WWE to do it, you know?
01:21:37.146 --> 01:21:47.326
Diego: Like his ring entrance song, Cody's, starts off with there's more than one, what is it?
01:21:47.386 --> 01:21:50.386
Diego: There's more than one royal family in wrestling, something like that.
01:21:52.346 --> 01:22:00.246
Diego: Talking about like how the Rhodes family is a powerful name in wrestling and hasn't been really recognized like it should have.
01:22:00.806 --> 01:22:05.766
Diego: But let's talk about the reason why the last stop here in the wrestling list is the McMahons.
01:22:07.386 --> 01:22:11.006
Diego: And the McMahons are by far the most recognized family in wrestling.
01:22:11.626 --> 01:22:17.086
Diego: And it's of course because Vince McMahon, the guy who made...
01:22:17.106 --> 01:22:18.306
Joshua: Created WWF.
01:22:18.306 --> 01:22:21.166
Diego: Not created, his father, Vince McMahon Sr.
01:22:21.186 --> 01:22:21.826
Diego: created it.
01:22:22.206 --> 01:22:22.566
Joshua: Wait.
01:22:23.886 --> 01:22:26.086
Diego: Vince McMahon's father is the one that created it.
01:22:26.426 --> 01:22:36.546
Diego: But when he inherited it, he started buying off smaller wrestling promotions and really turned the WWF back then into what it was and involved it into the WWE.
01:22:37.506 --> 01:22:42.706
Diego: And so he got his son Shane and his daughter Stephanie involved in the whole thing and they held positions.
01:22:44.826 --> 01:22:55.526
Diego: And so like undoubtedly, the McMahons are like the most powerful family in wrestling, both behind the screen and kayfabe, because he has made himself into a kayfabe character, McMahon.
01:22:56.006 --> 01:22:57.506
Joshua: Wasn't he a wrestler?
01:22:57.526 --> 01:22:58.726
Diego: Oh, he got in the ring.
01:22:58.746 --> 01:23:00.066
Diego: Yeah, he wrestled plenty of times.
01:23:00.086 --> 01:23:05.866
Diego: He wasn't a wrestler, but he got himself into shape and learned and also that he could fight Steve Austin.
01:23:06.086 --> 01:23:07.086
Joshua: Oh, he fought Steve Austin?
01:23:07.106 --> 01:23:10.726
Diego: Stone Cold, yeah, during their heyday of their feud.
01:23:11.826 --> 01:23:20.726
Diego: So anyway, yeah, just like as far as fathers, McMahon as a father is like the wicked, you know, father kind of figure.
01:23:20.986 --> 01:23:21.766
Joshua: Yeah.
01:23:22.046 --> 01:23:27.166
Diego: Terrible, terrible father figure within the fictionalized world of wrestling.
01:23:27.186 --> 01:23:29.466
Diego: But man, such an important figure at the same time.
01:23:29.766 --> 01:23:31.466
Diego: And there's a lot of drama happening right now.
01:23:31.546 --> 01:23:34.146
Diego: He's under investigation for misconduct.
01:23:34.166 --> 01:23:34.906
Joshua: In real life?
01:23:35.166 --> 01:23:35.566
Diego: Oh, yeah.
01:23:36.066 --> 01:23:38.826
Diego: Yeah, Stephanie is assuming the role of CEO right now.
01:23:38.846 --> 01:23:39.246
Joshua: Really?
01:23:39.446 --> 01:23:39.766
Diego: Yeah.
01:23:39.866 --> 01:23:42.806
Diego: So apparently behind the scenes, he wasn't that great a dad either.
01:23:43.026 --> 01:23:43.546
Joshua: Oh, dang.
01:23:43.886 --> 01:23:45.586
Diego: Yeah, we'll see what that ends up.
01:23:45.606 --> 01:23:47.066
Diego: But anyway, that's it for the wrestling list.
01:23:47.086 --> 01:23:49.706
Diego: And we have one more list to tackle.
01:23:49.946 --> 01:23:52.746
Diego: Seven father figure relationships.
01:23:53.646 --> 01:23:55.166
Diego: This is from the world of games.
01:23:55.806 --> 01:23:56.206
Joshua: Yes.
01:23:56.266 --> 01:23:57.126
Diego: Get that first one.
01:23:58.126 --> 01:24:01.426
Joshua: Well, obviously, we can definitely both tackle this first one.
01:24:01.526 --> 01:24:02.246
Diego: We can, yes.
01:24:02.626 --> 01:24:10.006
Joshua: Joel and Ellie, one of the best, from one of the best zombie stories I think I've ever seen in one of the best game.
01:24:10.026 --> 01:24:10.166
Joshua: What?
01:24:10.186 --> 01:24:12.046
Joshua: Yeah, one of the best video games ever.
01:24:12.186 --> 01:24:12.706
Diego: For sure.
01:24:13.266 --> 01:24:13.686
Joshua: Okay.
01:24:13.906 --> 01:24:14.906
Joshua: The last of us.
01:24:15.066 --> 01:24:16.826
Joshua: This is an amazing game.
01:24:16.866 --> 01:24:18.086
Diego: Yes, really.
01:24:18.106 --> 01:24:23.866
Joshua: So Joel and Ellie's relationship is also just more chef's kiss.
01:24:24.046 --> 01:24:24.386
Diego: Yeah.
01:24:24.686 --> 01:24:25.146
Diego: So great.
01:24:25.166 --> 01:24:26.446
Diego: Also because of how it begins, right?
01:24:26.466 --> 01:24:28.886
Diego: Where Joel loses his real daughter, his biological daughter.
01:24:29.306 --> 01:24:30.486
Joshua: That prologue, bro.
01:24:30.786 --> 01:24:31.206
Diego: Yeah.
01:24:31.306 --> 01:24:33.846
Diego: That prologue is so amazing, man.
01:24:34.406 --> 01:24:36.886
Diego: And the fact that they let you play a little bit through it, you know?
01:24:36.906 --> 01:24:37.246
Joshua: Yeah.
01:24:37.286 --> 01:24:38.966
Diego: Like, just you feel that intensity.
01:24:39.586 --> 01:24:43.006
Diego: And then comes the apocalypse, right?
01:24:43.066 --> 01:24:51.706
Diego: And so, like, who would ever think for Joel, you know, how would he ever think that he could find that kind of connection again?
01:24:51.906 --> 01:24:52.306
Joshua: Yeah.
01:24:52.886 --> 01:24:53.466
Diego: But he does.
01:24:54.026 --> 01:24:54.406
Joshua: Mm-hmm.
01:24:54.666 --> 01:24:55.686
Joshua: With Ellie.
01:24:55.886 --> 01:24:56.226
Joshua: Yeah.
01:24:56.506 --> 01:25:05.126
Joshua: And he starts off being like, oh, there's like, I have to smuggle this kid across America.
01:25:05.146 --> 01:25:06.146
Joshua: Like, oh, heck no.
01:25:06.546 --> 01:25:09.346
Diego: You know, it's actually very much like a Mando Grogu type thing.
01:25:09.646 --> 01:25:10.146
Joshua: Yeah.
01:25:10.166 --> 01:25:17.686
Diego: Where little by little, like, his heart is softened, and he becomes open, and he kind of adopts this girl, you know, as his own, almost.
01:25:17.966 --> 01:25:32.566
Joshua: Until, like, literally, no spoilers, in The Last of Us 2, when Ellie is, like, getting attacked by one of those big zombies, the bloaters, Joel literally, he literally, like, shreds it to pieces with the machete.
01:25:33.006 --> 01:25:33.946
Joshua: Just to save her.
01:25:34.166 --> 01:25:34.726
Diego: That's awesome.
01:25:34.746 --> 01:25:37.366
Joshua: Like, she, like, he loves her a lot at the end of this game.
01:25:37.386 --> 01:25:38.606
Diego: That's so sweet, man.
01:25:39.766 --> 01:25:41.006
Diego: Yeah, what a great story.
01:25:41.066 --> 01:25:41.626
Diego: So great.
01:25:42.246 --> 01:25:46.686
Diego: The next one is someone, one from your picky.
01:25:46.706 --> 01:25:47.086
Diego: Who is this?
01:25:47.386 --> 01:25:48.126
Joshua: Yeah, so it's...
01:25:48.146 --> 01:25:48.966
Joshua: Dutch and Arthur?
01:25:49.206 --> 01:25:52.786
Joshua: Dutch and Arthur in the Red Dead Redemption 2.
01:25:52.806 --> 01:25:54.106
Diego: Oh, yeah, that's right.
01:25:54.186 --> 01:25:54.566
Joshua: Yeah.
01:25:55.126 --> 01:26:05.866
Joshua: So, Dutch is kind of a father figure to John Marston, the main character of the first game as well.
01:26:05.886 --> 01:26:08.606
Joshua: But he was definitely a lot of a father figure to both of them.
01:26:09.686 --> 01:26:12.966
Joshua: He found both of them as kids, and he raised them.
01:26:13.786 --> 01:26:24.866
Joshua: Like, he taught Arthur how to read, he taught him how to write, he taught him how to fight, he taught him how to do everything that makes him a good member of the Vanderling gang.
01:26:25.186 --> 01:26:30.766
Joshua: And the same thing with John, although Dutch didn't teach John how to swim.
01:26:30.786 --> 01:26:35.126
Joshua: And so in the original Red Dead Game, if you fall into water, you do die.
01:26:36.146 --> 01:26:40.206
Joshua: Which is just kind of an excuse for not adding swimming animations.
01:26:40.406 --> 01:26:41.246
Joshua: Right.
01:26:42.586 --> 01:26:46.366
Joshua: But yeah, I feel like he was definitely not a good father figure at all.
01:26:47.126 --> 01:26:53.246
Diego: You know what, that whole description that you just gave actually made me think of an honorable mention that should have been in the movies category for me, but I forgot.
01:26:53.766 --> 01:26:54.786
Diego: Shame on me for forgetting.
01:26:54.806 --> 01:26:56.366
Diego: Remind me to tell you at the end of this list.
01:26:57.826 --> 01:27:00.946
Diego: All right, the next two come from the world of Mortal Kombat.
01:27:00.966 --> 01:27:13.066
Diego: Yeah, it's interesting that Mortal Kombat has been going on for long enough that these kids, and they haven't done a particularly good job of like keeping a story in continuity.
01:27:13.086 --> 01:27:15.706
Diego: You know, they, I mean, mind you, it's a fighting game.
01:27:16.186 --> 01:27:21.066
Diego: I feel like you got to give them props for even evolving into having interesting stories as a fighting game.
01:27:21.206 --> 01:27:21.466
Joshua: Yeah.
01:27:22.046 --> 01:27:27.206
Diego: And you could almost argue that they were pretty much the first ones to do it, Mortal Kombat.
01:27:27.226 --> 01:27:27.746
Joshua: Yeah, yeah.
01:27:28.286 --> 01:27:32.726
Diego: And each game has given us like a more involved story.
01:27:33.226 --> 01:27:38.906
Diego: And so like the latest one, I think, is where they introduced these second generation kids characters.
01:27:38.906 --> 01:27:41.126
Joshua: I think Cassie Cage was introduced.
01:27:42.726 --> 01:27:44.986
Joshua: Let's see, she was in Mortal Kombat 10.
01:27:46.126 --> 01:27:46.646
Diego: Oh, yeah.
01:27:46.786 --> 01:27:47.926
Diego: So then again in 11.
01:27:48.366 --> 01:27:51.366
Joshua: Yeah, so I was wondering if he was introduced in 10.
01:27:51.386 --> 01:27:52.766
Diego: Yeah, they were introduced in 10.
01:27:53.106 --> 01:27:53.766
Joshua: Yeah, yeah.
01:27:53.886 --> 01:27:55.526
Diego: I was forgetting about Mortal Kombat 11.
01:27:55.546 --> 01:27:58.746
Diego: But yeah, MKX is when they got introduced.
01:27:58.766 --> 01:28:03.306
Diego: And so you had two father child relationships introduced.
01:28:03.406 --> 01:28:08.166
Diego: One of them was Jackie, who was the daughter of Jax.
01:28:08.346 --> 01:28:12.526
Diego: Yeah, very similar kind of fighting style.
01:28:12.586 --> 01:28:13.366
Diego: Metal arms.
01:28:13.386 --> 01:28:15.286
Joshua: Kind of like brute force.
01:28:15.306 --> 01:28:20.326
Diego: Yeah, which is really cool, because that's always been kind of a unique thing to Jax.
01:28:20.506 --> 01:28:20.926
Joshua: Yeah.
01:28:20.946 --> 01:28:23.666
Diego: So it's pretty cool to have someone else and for it to be his daughter.
01:28:24.026 --> 01:28:29.886
Diego: And as you're playing the whole game, it's a really interesting storyline, you know, and you get them involved and all that.
01:28:30.646 --> 01:28:36.446
Diego: And then on the other end, you have Johnny Cage and Sonya Blade, who end up having this daughter called...
01:28:36.466 --> 01:28:36.906
Joshua: Cassie.
01:28:36.966 --> 01:28:37.806
Diego: Cassie Cage.
01:28:38.106 --> 01:28:39.666
Joshua: Actually, I like Cassie.
01:28:40.426 --> 01:28:41.666
Joshua: I like her personality.
01:28:41.706 --> 01:28:43.206
Diego: Yeah, she's pretty sassy.
01:28:44.906 --> 01:28:52.726
Joshua: There was that one line where if you put a match with her and Scorpion, she's like, can I say it just once?
01:28:53.086 --> 01:28:56.066
Joshua: And then Scorpion's like, only if you wish to die.
01:28:56.286 --> 01:28:58.266
Joshua: And then she's like, get over here.
01:28:58.446 --> 01:28:58.946
Diego: Really?
01:28:58.946 --> 01:28:59.446
Joshua: Yeah.
01:29:01.006 --> 01:29:05.986
Diego: I love those, like, conditional conversations that they have.
01:29:06.946 --> 01:29:07.706
Diego: Moral comments.
01:29:08.466 --> 01:29:10.966
Diego: It's so great, but also bloody and disgusting.
01:29:10.986 --> 01:29:11.186
Joshua: Yeah.
01:29:11.206 --> 01:29:12.546
Diego: You know, stay away from it.
01:29:12.646 --> 01:29:13.826
Joshua: The X-rays, like...
01:29:14.326 --> 01:29:14.626
Diego: Yeah.
01:29:14.806 --> 01:29:17.066
Diego: Unnecessary violence, but it's so great.
01:29:17.866 --> 01:29:20.346
Diego: Moving on to the world of Assassin's Creed.
01:29:20.826 --> 01:29:21.646
Diego: We've got...
01:29:22.386 --> 01:29:25.506
Joshua: Hatham Kenway and Connor Kenway.
01:29:25.606 --> 01:29:25.966
Diego: Yeah.
01:29:26.746 --> 01:29:30.166
Diego: And I think, I guess, honorable mention should actually be Hatham's father.
01:29:30.346 --> 01:29:33.106
Joshua: Yeah, which is Edward, which you actually play as.
01:29:33.186 --> 01:29:36.406
Joshua: He's one of the main characters in Assassin's Creed Black Flag.
01:29:36.566 --> 01:29:37.266
Joshua: Four, yeah.
01:29:37.366 --> 01:29:38.486
Diego: Yeah.
01:29:38.686 --> 01:29:41.326
Diego: And so this one's interesting, because you have...
01:29:41.526 --> 01:29:46.606
Diego: The first one that were introduced in the order that the games were released was actually Hatham Kenway.
01:29:46.726 --> 01:29:47.086
Joshua: Yeah.
01:29:47.106 --> 01:29:51.886
Diego: So in Assassin's Creed 4, we...
01:29:52.426 --> 01:29:52.726
Diego: 4?
01:29:53.326 --> 01:29:53.786
Diego: Or 3?
01:29:54.766 --> 01:29:55.926
Joshua: Connor is 3.
01:29:56.126 --> 01:29:57.906
Diego: Assassin's Creed, Assassin's Creed 3.
01:29:57.926 --> 01:30:01.986
Diego: I'm sorry, Assassin's Creed, Assassin's Creed 2, Assassin's Creed Brotherhood, Assassin's Creed Revelations.
01:30:02.486 --> 01:30:03.586
Joshua: Assassin's Creed 3.
01:30:03.606 --> 01:30:04.806
Joshua: That one's Connor.
01:30:05.046 --> 01:30:05.986
Diego: So Connor.
01:30:06.006 --> 01:30:10.906
Diego: So in all of the trailers, we're introduced to this really cool assassin, Connor.
01:30:11.486 --> 01:30:14.246
Diego: And he's a Native American assassin.
01:30:14.446 --> 01:30:16.046
Diego: So that already made him look super cool.
01:30:16.066 --> 01:30:17.886
Joshua: He's incredibly brutal.
01:30:17.946 --> 01:30:18.846
Diego: Yeah, he really is.
01:30:19.206 --> 01:30:22.146
Joshua: He's one of the deadliest assassins.
01:30:22.466 --> 01:30:23.406
Diego: But what a great game.
01:30:23.426 --> 01:30:26.066
Diego: That's one of my favorite Assassin's Creed games.
01:30:27.346 --> 01:30:30.226
Diego: But what we don't know is that we're going to get to meet his father.
01:30:30.746 --> 01:30:33.606
Diego: And you start the game playing as his father.
01:30:33.626 --> 01:30:35.146
Joshua: And you're like, oh, this is kind of cool.
01:30:35.166 --> 01:30:36.386
Joshua: Yeah.
01:30:36.666 --> 01:30:41.826
Diego: And you're thinking like, oh, cool, his father is also an assassin, because you're doing like, you know, hit and blade assassinations.
01:30:41.846 --> 01:30:44.186
Joshua: Hit and blade assassinations, like parkour and all that.
01:30:44.666 --> 01:30:47.166
Joshua: And then you get to your objective.
01:30:47.586 --> 01:30:56.426
Joshua: And then someone says something, and they're like, well, welcome back to the Templar Order.
01:30:56.746 --> 01:30:58.026
Joshua: And you're like, hold up.
01:30:59.126 --> 01:31:01.346
Diego: Yeah, what a cool twist, man.
01:31:01.366 --> 01:31:03.486
Diego: And it really does catch you by surprise.
01:31:03.506 --> 01:31:05.206
Diego: I remember that moment.
01:31:05.226 --> 01:31:05.986
Diego: It was so cool.
01:31:06.606 --> 01:31:08.446
Diego: So like, of course, then you start like, what?
01:31:08.466 --> 01:31:12.646
Diego: How is this possible that a Templar would end up being the father of an assassin?
01:31:14.246 --> 01:31:16.206
Diego: And there's a whole long story for that.
01:31:16.226 --> 01:31:18.766
Diego: But yeah, that alone is a pretty cool dynamic.
01:31:18.786 --> 01:31:30.066
Joshua: I feel like my life goal is just getting, I feel like the only thing that I want to really achieve in life is just finding out how to pronounce Connor's original name.
01:31:30.546 --> 01:31:31.386
Diego: Oh, yeah.
01:31:33.546 --> 01:31:33.946
Diego: Oh, man.
01:31:34.026 --> 01:31:34.666
Diego: What is it like?
01:31:34.686 --> 01:31:35.606
Diego: Tocotenton?
01:31:35.626 --> 01:31:37.966
Joshua: It's like Ratetenggatum?
01:31:37.986 --> 01:31:38.946
Diego: It's complicated.
01:31:38.966 --> 01:31:40.066
Diego: Yeah, that's a tough one.
01:31:42.186 --> 01:31:51.626
Diego: But yeah, so you've got that, and then later on, they release Black Flag, where you play as Edward Kenway, and he's kind of like a pirate assassin.
01:31:51.786 --> 01:31:52.166
Joshua: Yeah.
01:31:52.186 --> 01:31:58.986
Diego: So it's like, assassin gave birth to a kid who would become a Templar, gave birth to a kid who would become an assassin.
01:31:59.466 --> 01:32:02.786
Joshua: Also, there's really outrageous weapons in Black Flag.
01:32:02.846 --> 01:32:11.026
Joshua: There's pistol swords, which are like swords, but there's pistols kind of in the handle.
01:32:11.526 --> 01:32:15.826
Joshua: So you stab someone with it, and then you shoot, and their body goes flying off with a sword.
01:32:16.506 --> 01:32:17.326
Diego: That's awesome.
01:32:17.346 --> 01:32:17.646
Joshua: Yeah.
01:32:19.186 --> 01:32:19.606
Diego: All right.
01:32:19.686 --> 01:32:27.286
Diego: And then also from the world of video games, the last two are from Five Nights at Freddy's.
01:32:27.306 --> 01:32:28.226
Diego: Five Nights at Freddy's.
01:32:28.246 --> 01:32:29.586
Joshua: Five Nights at Freddy's.
01:32:29.606 --> 01:32:33.006
Diego: You're going to have to take these on, because I don't know who these people are.
01:32:33.386 --> 01:32:33.806
Joshua: Yeah.
01:32:33.846 --> 01:32:38.026
Joshua: So this first one is kind of disturbing.
01:32:38.046 --> 01:32:38.746
Joshua: I'm not going to lie.
01:32:39.266 --> 01:32:44.726
Joshua: William Afton, he is definitely the worst father that I've ever seen in video games.
01:32:46.446 --> 01:32:49.126
Joshua: He was actually a serial killer.
01:32:50.166 --> 01:33:00.826
Joshua: And he basically, what he did is that with the, he was also the co-creator of the Five Nights at Freddy's pizza place.
01:33:01.786 --> 01:33:04.006
Joshua: And like he would kill people in that pizza place.
01:33:04.486 --> 01:33:06.326
Joshua: He would like lure them into the back room and stuff.
01:33:06.646 --> 01:33:12.626
Joshua: But then he would like stuff their bodies into the animatronic suits, and their souls would possess those.
01:33:13.106 --> 01:33:15.826
Diego: Oh, I think I remember you and Cousin Julian telling this.
01:33:15.846 --> 01:33:18.126
Joshua: Yeah, because in the FNAF episode.
01:33:18.146 --> 01:33:18.626
Diego: Yeah.
01:33:18.946 --> 01:33:23.266
Diego: Yeah, go look up our Five Nights at Freddy's episode, and you'll see what we're talking about.
01:33:23.866 --> 01:33:27.626
Joshua: So basically, he had three kids.
01:33:28.186 --> 01:33:36.746
Joshua: One of them was named Michael, one of them was named Elizabeth, and the other kind of unnamed, but the fandom calls him Evan.
01:33:37.706 --> 01:33:50.126
Joshua: And so basically, the whole thing is that Evan, no, Michael, was playing a prank on his brother, Evan, because Evan is kind of scared of the animatronics.
01:33:51.006 --> 01:33:58.486
Joshua: And so he picked up his brother, and he made him kiss Fredbear.
01:33:59.446 --> 01:34:06.066
Joshua: And then Fredbear, he kind of bit his head off.
01:34:07.326 --> 01:34:09.566
Diego: The whole head.
01:34:09.586 --> 01:34:10.786
Joshua: The front part of the head.
01:34:11.466 --> 01:34:12.786
Joshua: His frontal lobe of his brain.
01:34:13.866 --> 01:34:15.186
Joshua: And yeah, he died.
01:34:16.666 --> 01:34:17.106
Diego: Yikes.
01:34:17.406 --> 01:34:24.686
Joshua: So basically, now Michael has this whole guilt and all that, and then also William has this whole guilt, because his son got killed.
01:34:25.346 --> 01:34:30.406
Joshua: And then he finds out that their souls are possessing this thing.
01:34:32.266 --> 01:34:45.666
Joshua: And so also, there's this remnant when a child possesses one of the animatronics, this substance is there where they can give life.
01:34:45.786 --> 01:34:47.166
Joshua: I don't know really how to explain it.
01:34:47.186 --> 01:34:49.426
Joshua: I guess give life is the right term.
01:34:50.006 --> 01:34:55.766
Joshua: And so he uses that substance to do more stuff and more evil plans.
01:34:56.646 --> 01:35:03.466
Joshua: And so basically, what happens is that, long story short, his daughter also...
01:35:04.406 --> 01:35:06.046
Diego: You're walking us through the whole video game here.
01:35:06.226 --> 01:35:09.926
Joshua: Okay, his daughter also dies and takes control of another robot.
01:35:10.766 --> 01:35:13.586
Joshua: And then his son tries to free his daughter.
01:35:13.606 --> 01:35:17.426
Joshua: His son tries to free his sister.
01:35:18.226 --> 01:35:22.946
Joshua: And he kind of fails and he gets scooped and an animatronic takes control of his body.
01:35:23.386 --> 01:35:26.166
Diego: Yeah, that's the part I remember you and Julian talking about.
01:35:26.186 --> 01:35:26.586
Joshua: Yeah.
01:35:26.686 --> 01:35:28.806
Diego: He ends up getting like trapped basically in one one.
01:35:29.726 --> 01:35:34.306
Joshua: And then, yeah, he ends up kind of becoming like a walking zombie, kind of.
01:35:34.986 --> 01:35:37.246
Joshua: And so, yeah, William Afton...
01:35:37.506 --> 01:35:39.566
Joshua: I wouldn't say that he's the best father.
01:35:39.806 --> 01:35:40.466
Diego: Probably not.
01:35:41.246 --> 01:35:41.666
Joshua: Yeah.
01:35:41.946 --> 01:35:42.646
Diego: Probably not.
01:35:43.266 --> 01:35:46.026
Diego: And then the last one is also for Five Nights at Freddy's.
01:35:46.026 --> 01:35:47.946
Diego: Glamrock, Freddy and Gregory.
01:35:47.966 --> 01:35:48.546
Diego: What's that about?
01:35:48.706 --> 01:35:51.026
Joshua: Okay, some people might disagree with me here.
01:35:51.186 --> 01:35:51.486
Diego: Okay.
01:35:51.746 --> 01:36:01.866
Joshua: But Gregory, he's like a kind of a child, like a runaway child who gets stranded in like the mega-pizza plagues, is what they call it.
01:36:02.186 --> 01:36:03.786
Joshua: It's just like a really big mall.
01:36:03.806 --> 01:36:05.486
Diego: Oh, this is from the latest game, right?
01:36:05.546 --> 01:36:06.526
Joshua: Yeah, Security Breach.
01:36:07.326 --> 01:36:11.226
Joshua: And it's like a really big mall run by the Five Nights at Freddy's company.
01:36:12.746 --> 01:36:13.246
Joshua: Yeah.
01:36:13.286 --> 01:36:15.706
Joshua: Yeah, Fazbear's Pizza thing.
01:36:16.286 --> 01:36:25.346
Joshua: And so basically, Glamrock Freddy finds Gregory, and he's like the only animatronic.
01:36:25.366 --> 01:36:27.846
Joshua: He's like, oh, hi, where did you come from?
01:36:28.686 --> 01:36:32.446
Joshua: He doesn't immediately want to bite the frontal lobe of his brain off.
01:36:33.326 --> 01:36:40.586
Joshua: And so, yeah, they become really good friends, and Freddy is kind of like mentoring Gregory through this whole thing.
01:36:40.606 --> 01:36:48.406
Joshua: And yeah, and then they like, they foil this evil plan that like a bunny lady in a costume was making.
01:36:48.766 --> 01:36:50.026
Joshua: It's a long story.
01:36:50.906 --> 01:36:51.626
Joshua: But yes.
01:36:51.666 --> 01:36:54.046
Diego: So it's really like a father figure type relationship?
01:36:54.986 --> 01:36:57.746
Joshua: It becomes one near the end of the game, kind of.
01:36:58.166 --> 01:36:58.986
Joshua: At least to me.
01:36:59.606 --> 01:37:00.126
Diego: Interesting.
01:37:00.786 --> 01:37:07.626
Diego: Well, my honorable mention is actually from what is basically my favorite movie of all time, and that's the...
01:37:08.406 --> 01:37:09.826
Diego: Yeah, Count Amount of Crystal.
01:37:10.246 --> 01:37:11.106
Diego: There's a...
01:37:12.226 --> 01:37:20.686
Diego: Through a whole series of crazy events, the main character Desmond ends up getting trapped in this place called Chateau d'If, which is like this...
01:37:22.066 --> 01:37:22.506
Diego: Very...
01:37:22.966 --> 01:37:23.206
Diego: No.
01:37:23.526 --> 01:37:30.946
Diego: Which is this very deserted, rocky island that all it has is a prison, and that's the prison that they send them to.
01:37:31.486 --> 01:37:33.806
Diego: And that's a prison that you send people to basically to die.
01:37:35.326 --> 01:37:52.386
Diego: And he's in there, he's inside of this rock, you know, stone cell for years, and eventually one day out of the ground pops up this old man who's a priest.
01:37:52.646 --> 01:37:54.186
Joshua: Wait, out of the ground?
01:37:54.246 --> 01:37:54.626
Diego: Yeah.
01:37:55.086 --> 01:37:58.666
Diego: Turns out that the old man has been like digging to try to escape from the prison.
01:37:59.506 --> 01:38:03.186
Diego: He's been digging for years, and he ended up going in the wrong direction.
01:38:03.306 --> 01:38:07.846
Joshua: Did he ever go back up through the hole to get food?
01:38:08.466 --> 01:38:09.406
Diego: Oh, yeah, of course.
01:38:10.086 --> 01:38:16.326
Diego: He would dig for several hours a day, and then he would go back into his cell right in time to get the meal that they would give him.
01:38:17.266 --> 01:38:25.386
Diego: And so he's all frustrated because he realizes that he just ended up in another prison or cell.
01:38:25.926 --> 01:38:31.486
Diego: But that ended up being one of the most important things that could ever happen to Desmond, the main character.
01:38:32.426 --> 01:38:40.286
Diego: Because this priest, he told him, if you help me dig in the right direction, I will teach you anything you want.
01:38:40.306 --> 01:38:44.426
Diego: Because this priest was very knowledgeable about all sorts of stuff.
01:38:44.586 --> 01:38:49.366
Joshua: Yeah, and you told me he teaches him different fighting techniques.
01:38:49.386 --> 01:38:51.746
Diego: He teaches him to read and write, first of all.
01:38:52.146 --> 01:38:53.266
Joshua: How old was this guy?
01:38:53.546 --> 01:38:54.386
Diego: The priest?
01:38:54.606 --> 01:38:55.686
Joshua: No, the main character.
01:38:55.686 --> 01:38:56.186
Diego: Desmond?
01:38:57.946 --> 01:39:01.106
Diego: He must have been in his 20s when he got imprisoned.
01:39:01.706 --> 01:39:02.606
Diego: Like early 20s.
01:39:03.306 --> 01:39:06.306
Diego: But he grew up kind of like a peasant, in a way.
01:39:06.886 --> 01:39:07.666
Diego: Very low class.
01:39:07.746 --> 01:39:10.946
Diego: And so that class didn't learn to read and write.
01:39:12.166 --> 01:39:14.086
Diego: So yeah, this man, he teaches him.
01:39:14.106 --> 01:39:15.746
Diego: He's telling him, I'll teach you anything.
01:39:15.766 --> 01:39:17.606
Diego: I'll teach you mathematics, economics.
01:39:17.626 --> 01:39:19.106
Diego: I'll teach you philosophy.
01:39:19.126 --> 01:39:20.166
Diego: I'll teach you this or that.
01:39:20.186 --> 01:39:21.846
Diego: And he was like, will you teach me to read and write?
01:39:22.426 --> 01:39:25.526
Diego: And the priest is like, oh, my dear boy, of course.
01:39:25.546 --> 01:39:26.586
Diego: I'll teach you to read and write.
01:39:26.886 --> 01:39:28.846
Diego: So he teaches him a whole bunch of stuff.
01:39:28.866 --> 01:39:31.066
Diego: And they spent a long time together.
01:39:32.366 --> 01:39:34.386
Diego: They have no one else, literally.
01:39:34.786 --> 01:39:41.866
Diego: And so very much, they end up developing this kind of father figure relationship.
01:39:41.886 --> 01:39:45.086
Diego: This is by far the closest thing that he's ever had to a father.
01:39:45.486 --> 01:39:47.706
Diego: And this man completely transforms his life.
01:39:47.726 --> 01:39:50.766
Diego: So, yeah, great, great character.
01:39:50.786 --> 01:39:52.846
Diego: One of my favorite characters in the entire story.
01:39:53.406 --> 01:39:56.106
Diego: And the priest from the Count of Monte Cristo.
01:39:56.126 --> 01:39:57.846
Diego: So that is my honorable mention.
01:39:57.866 --> 01:39:59.846
Diego: And that brings us to the end of our list.
01:40:00.246 --> 01:40:01.886
Diego: This was a chonky list, man.
01:40:02.166 --> 01:40:03.506
Joshua: How long is this episode?
01:40:03.646 --> 01:40:05.746
Diego: This episode is like an hour and something long.
01:40:05.966 --> 01:40:08.866
Diego: Yeah, it's chonky, chonky, chonky, chonky.
01:40:09.286 --> 01:40:13.046
Diego: So many fathers and father figures out there within the world of fiction.
01:40:13.086 --> 01:40:14.326
Diego: Some are awesome.
01:40:14.866 --> 01:40:16.566
Diego: Some are terrible.
01:40:16.586 --> 01:40:17.806
Joshua: Straight evil.
01:40:17.866 --> 01:40:20.246
Diego: Yeah, like some should never have been fathers.
01:40:20.266 --> 01:40:21.286
Joshua: Children murderers.
01:40:21.466 --> 01:40:22.206
Diego: Absolutely.
01:40:23.186 --> 01:40:27.346
Diego: But man, just like in real life, we got a whole spectrum of fathers out there.
01:40:27.366 --> 01:40:31.026
Diego: And if you're a father out there, try to be a hero to your children.
01:40:31.046 --> 01:40:33.326
Joshua: You would definitely be the awesome father.
01:40:33.546 --> 01:40:34.086
Diego: Thank you, man.
01:40:34.106 --> 01:40:35.566
Diego: Give me high five, bro.
01:40:35.926 --> 01:40:37.346
Diego: I didn't pay him to say that, by the way.
01:40:37.886 --> 01:40:38.326
Joshua: He didn't.
01:40:44.506 --> 01:40:50.840
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01:41:55.680 --> 01:41:57.020
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01:41:58.100 --> 01:42:00.920
Joshua: No, I am your father.
01:42:01.360 --> 01:42:03.060
Diego: Pa pa, pa pa.
01:42:03.580 --> 01:42:06.280
Diego: That's what Grogu would sound like if he said, okay, bye.
01:42:06.300 --> 01:42:06.400
Joshua: Bye.
